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Summer Transfer Window 2017

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He's the top scorer in the league
He has broken all sorts of scoring record at his different ages and you want him to adapt his game to suit his teammates
Here's a novel idea , why don't we make his teammates play to his strengths and let him score more goals and create more chances.
I think that's what Koeman has in mind judging by the players we are linked with

Because that's called putting all your eggs in one basket, and it's also playing the football that doesn't win anything. Want proof? We're 7th and he's the leagues leading goalscorer. There's your proof.

I used to buy the "play to his strengths" angle, but I just honestly don't anymore because we quite clearly already do.

You know who didn't? Chelsea, and he bombed, because they expected him to actually be involved in overall play. Complete fish out of water, totally surplus to requirements almost immediately. He goes to West Brom - a counter-attacking side where he runs the shoulder - and he excels. He comes here, he excels doing the same thing, but flops badly and disappears for 85 minutes a game whenever a side defends deep or organise well, resorting to just hoping he'll sniff out a goal to hide all ills.

No, we really don't need to waste time building around this guy when it's a tactic too easily nullified and therefore has a ceiling in terms of achievement, and the player himself has no desire to be here.

The correct way forward is to build a side that plays football as a unit, can assert quality over the lesser sides and compete with the top sides by playing the right way and for once, just once, stop bending over to a prima donna footballer and actually act like a massive club again who are bigger than one bloke who flopped the one time he played for a "big club", yet believes its' his god-given right to be there again and he's doing us a favour in the interim.

That way forward, in my view, is very firmly without Lukaku at this point.
 
Even if he did, which is debatable, he also went missing for vast periods of most games which cost us momentum in key games.

That's why we have the leagues leading goalscorer, yet we're 7th. It's not because the squad is poor - it's because everything breaks down in the final third far too often because we can't make the ball stick there, and we don't have good movement.

Not debating that at all. We rely on rom far too much but with more creativity behind and alongside he will flourish.
 
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers
Stats don't always paint a true picture, but only Sanchez on that list has assisted more.

As said a few times in the last 10 minutes, assists don't mean anything when discussing being involves in the overall attacking phase. Not just for Lukaku; I mean the stat is useless full-stop. I'd prefer Lukaku had no assists whatsoever but provided the outball to a winger who grabs 15 direct assists because Lukaku has shielded a ball and allowed him to get outside/inside a fullback consistently.
 
He's the top scorer in the league
He has broken all sorts of scoring record at his different ages and you want him to adapt his game to suit his teammates
Here's a novel idea , why don't we make his teammates play to his strengths and let him score more goals and create more chances.
I think that's what Koeman has in mind judging by the players we are linked with

Barkley created more chances for Lukaku that any other player partnership in the prem I read somewhere. He's also 3rd behind KDB and Eriksen in overall chances created.

He's been fed.

The other attacking players haven't or at least don't.
 

I'll turn that on its head; we're 7th because the league's leading scorer offers no support for his teammates in attack. Doesn't move into channels often enough, doesn't show for the ball with his back to goal and so on.

He couldn't get the goals if he had no service, so that argument dies a death - yet supporting players can't get forward to join attacks and get beyond the striker if the striker has no interest in adapting his game to bring them into the attacking phase.

I think it's a mix of the both to be honest.

Sometimes he gets very little to feed on, in those big games because our midfield and other attackers are too weak and go missing, but at the same time, he has the same flaw of not being a great target man for someone who's 6ft4/5, he goes missing.
 
Because that's called putting all your eggs in one basket, and it's also playing the football that doesn't win anything. Want proof? We're 7th and he's the leagues leading goalscorer. There's your proof.

I used to buy the "play to his strengths" angle, but I just honestly don't anymore because we quite clearly already do.

You know who didn't? Chelsea, and he bombed, because they expected him to actually be involved in overall play. Complete fish out of water, totally surplus to requirements almost immediately. He goes to West Brom - a counter-attacking side where he runs the shoulder - and he excels. He comes here, he excels doing the same thing, but flops badly and disappears for 85 minutes a game whenever a side defends deep or organise well, resorting to just hoping he'll sniff out a goal to hide all ills.

No, we really don't need to waste time building around this guy when it's a tactic too easily nullified and therefore has a ceiling in terms of achievement, and the player himself has no desire to be here.

The correct way forward is to build a side that plays football as a unit, can assert quality over the lesser sides and compete with the top sides by playing the right way and for once, just once, stop bending over to a prima donna footballer and actually act like a massive club again who are bigger than one bloke who flopped the one time he played for a "big club", yet believes its' his god-given right to be there again and he's doing us a favour in the interim.

That way forward, in my view, is very firmly without Lukaku at this point.
We're all entitled to our opinion, that's what this forum is for. However it seems we waited a lifetime for a striker to score 20+ goals and have a strike rate of 1 in 2 yet you think we'd be 'better off' without him.
There are aspects of lukaku I won't miss (if and when he goes) like spouting off to the press every international break about wanting to play for a champions league club, but one thing I will miss is his goals and so would the team I'd suggest.
 

I think it's a mix of the both to be honest.

Sometimes he gets very little to feed on, in those big games because our midfield and other attackers are too weak and go missing, but at the same time, he has the same flaw of not being a great target man for someone who's 6ft4/5, he goes missing.

The way I view it is that Lukaku can do it, but lacks the discipline and professionalism to understand that it's a core part of the game. He's 100% goal minded, and in the modern game that's not enough at the top levels.

Look at how he demolished Bournemouth - and I don't mean the goals; I mean his overall game that day was absolutely insane. That Lukaku is one of the best strikers on earth - but you only see it once or twice a season.

And look at his "shushing" to Ashley Williams. It's that arrogance - the total belief that the concerns of the rest of the team are none of his business beyond getting back for corners. What do you mean hold the ball up and give us a break so we can push out? You're the defence - defend!

These are his major issues - a complete lack of consistency to apply his talents because he seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the modern forward is. All the tools in his locker, yet hardly ever unlocks the thing to use them.
 
Why. Could play two ala kev and rom
But you are still replacing a 24 goal a season striker with someone who will score 10/11
Take Mirallas out and you will miss what he brings to the team
Take ROSS out and you will miss what he brings
Instead of replacing Rom why not build a unit around him as Roberto and Koeman wanted to do
 
We're all entitled to our opinion, that's what this forum is for. However it seems we waited a lifetime for a striker to score 20+ goals and have a stake rate of 1 in 2 yet you think we'd be 'better off' without him.
There are aspects of lukaku I won't miss (if and when he goes) like spouting off to the press every international break about wanting to play for a champions league club, but one thing I will miss is his goals and so would the team I'd suggest.

..yep, he's been great and exactly what we've needed after so many barren years. He's a top finisher in any age in any league but he'll be off and we need to prepare for life beyond him. It's a major challenge replacing him and it is possible we could improve as a team with a different 'type' up front but ultimately it will be down to skill in the transfer market and RKs team model. Only time will tell.
 

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