Summer Transfer Window 2019

[The Penny Blue]

I think ideally the Brands system would also include a part where we get to a level that instead of selling players at their peak we pop them into a team and go and win stuff. I hope that is the end game.

I agree but I think the goal is to get to consistent CL contenders while still making money from the transfer Windows. Sorta like BVB

 

[Nymzee]

It's really one subject that is the center of it. I don't understand how Ademola Lookman didn't get any games while we played someone who produced very little tangible end product instead. He must be one horrible guy to be around if his attitude is so bad that we couldn't get him on the field at all even when there was next to nothing to play for at the end of the year. And I truly believe we are going to sell him and have everyone go "great business" and then he will be coming back from Germany for twice price in 2 years.

And to go along with that I'm scared that he won't be the last young player who we do that with. Again this is how we compete again. Buy up as much talent between 20 and 25 years old that we can from places where they are being undervalued so it gets me mad that we are starting out the Brands era by messing up that formula to some extent. So yeah I'm being a bit obtuse on the Bernard thing but I just see us throwing away a real opportunity for someone who even at his best is probably a rotation option in a top team.

We gave Lookman chances and he did nothing. England U21 even dropped him so it’s clearly not an Everton problem.

 

[jonnyboy316]

Big waste making what will probably be £30m profit from Vlasic (£5m profit), Lookman (£10-15m profit), Onyekuru (£10-15m profit).

I take it you are ignoring the wages we have paid for these players?

 

[blue to the bone]

The biggest thing is that 6 months in Germany. If no one had heard of him before and we just signed him at the end of those 6 months we would be going crazy about this talented youngster we just signed and we would have been begging for him to get time. And he was honestly good this season in the very limited minutes that he got. I just think he has a TON of talent and the more he plays the more that will show.

Why is their not a queue of clubs looking to sign him ?
Anytime I saw him this season he was average.

 

[Deco]

That's nothing though. We can turn that into what Zouma? Is that worth it? Short term yes but we aren't going to be a whole lot better in 5 years doing that sort of thing.

I don't really get what you're arguing - are you saying we shouldn't buy young players and sell them on for double what we paid?

 

[TheBigIguana]

Or

2 young Ravel Morrisons thought they were Barry big balls and didnt wanna fight for a spot.

Tom Davies, DCL all seem to be able to get games, granted Tom didnt get many due to others, but the manager cant be accused of not allowing yoots to fail.

I can ONLY assume 2 of them were willing to fight and 2 of them arent.

DCL playing because we have no strikers and Davies getting a game here and there isn't a strong case. He even binned Holgate off, and I don't rate Holgate at all, but he binned him off as soon as Mina could get in the team consistently. Kenny didn't really do well but he also wasn't given any real chance to grow. And talented youngsters are tits nowadays. We either learn to deal with it or have problems. I mean go through the England u20s and u21s on instagram. It's an absolute mess.

 

[Nymzee]

That's nothing though. We can turn that into what Zouma? Is that worth it? Short term yes but we aren't going to be a whole lot better in 5 years doing that sort of thing.

Surely if that’s worth it now, if we keep doing it won’t it always be worth it?

 

[TheBigIguana]

I don't really get what you're arguing - are you saying we shouldn't buy young players and sell them on for double what we paid?

I'm saying we should try to actually make them useful members of our team first. Then if they want to leave to go to United or Chelsea or whoever do it. Selling our young players to CSKA Moscow isn't ideal.

 

[Nymzee]

I'm saying we should try to actually make them useful members of our team first. Then if they want to leave to go to United or Chelsea or whoever do it. Selling our young players to CSKA Moscow isn't ideal.

You can’t force a player to stay here. If they become useful in training they get a chance in the first team (DCL). If they’re not showing anything in training (Lookman) you rightfully don’t deserve minutes.

 

[Deco]

I take it you are ignoring the wages we have paid for these players?

Assuming the loans all three had covered their wages + a fee (Onyekuru's loan reportedly included a £700k fee), I don't think we've been paying their wages for most of the time they've been here.

Lookman this season of course would've cost money to keep him, but I can't imagine he's on big wages - even at 20k pw that's £1m. Not bad considering he's now easily worth £20m.

 

[Nymzee]

Curious but @TheBigIguana seems to sound just like the American dude the sponsored the Lookman thread and would go mental over him. What ever happened to that guy?

 

[TheBigIguana]

Surely if that’s worth it now, if we keep doing it won’t it always be worth it?

Ok but who are the next three to go?

Why is their not a queue of clubs looking to sign him ?
Anytime I saw him this season he was average.

How do we know that their isn't? When he offered himself for loan RBL and Derby were interested straight away.

And anytime you saw him this season would have been extremely fleeting glimpses since he was barely ever on the field.

 

[Goat]

I'm saying we should try to actually make them useful members of our team first. Then if they want to leave to go to United or Chelsea or whoever do it. Selling our young players to CSKA Moscow isn't ideal.

Neither wanted to be part of a squad tho.

They wanted to start games and then both wanted to go on loan, 1 of them couldnt even arsed to put the work in in training.

And to be frank, neither have proven they are able to even perform in this league.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Curious but @TheBigIguana seems to sound just like the American dude the sponsored the Lookman thread and would go mental over him. What ever happened to that guy?

I only have one account.

Well two because I made a second one the other day when Groucho banned me to figure out what was going on.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Neither wanted to be part of a squad tho.

They wanted to start games and then both wanted to go on loan, 1 of them couldnt even arsed to put the work in in training.

And to be frank, neither have proven they are able to even perform in this league.

The thing very few people seem to ever agree with me on is that none of them really ever got the chance to prove it. I know it's a dead horse at this point but RBL and CSKA both gave them chances to prove what they had and they rose up to that level. We don't do that and then wonder why our young players can't shine.

If you remember Davies best stretch was when he got a ton of games the second half of Koeman's first season. Since then he has been in and out and predictably he hasn't been able to keep the consistency. DCL's best stretch was this year when he started consistently. It isn't some big secret. To properly evaluate players they have to get a run of games.