Summer Transfer Window 2019

[The Penny Blue]

Not sure on your valuations here...




I think he will be at least double that.

Mina will need to get through these injuries and hopefully a preseason will help him.

Diawara-

Napoli spent €14m on him asking for €20m​

Sander Berge-

Florentina bid of €12m was rejected stating it was €5m short (€17m total)​

Zakaria-

MGB signed for €12m. Transfermarkt has him at €17m​

Samassekou-

Estimated between £15-20m​

Jean Pyerre -

Estimated at £5m but expected to sore in price​

Florentino Luis -

€60m I was way off on his price (guess that’s what happens when a youngster is given a few 1st team starts)​

 

[catcherintherye]

Diawara-

Napoli spent €14m on him asking for €20m​

Sander Berge-

Florentina bid of €12m was rejected stating it was €5m short (€17m total)​

Zakaria-

MGB signed for €12m. Transfermarkt has him at €17m​

Samassekou-

Estimated between £15-20m​

Jean Pyerre -

Estimated at £5m but expected to sore in price​

Florentino Luis -

€60m I was way off on his price (guess that’s what happens when a youngster is given a few 1st team starts)​

There is a massive tax on said players for english teams though mate.

 

[The Penny Blue]

There is a massive tax on said players for english teams though mate.

Would Sangare be subject to the same high taxes?

Also some (most) of them I can't see it being easy to get a work permit for. Maybe not Sander Berge but the others I can see us having a lot of issues

 

[catcherintherye]

Would Sangare be subject to the same high taxes?

Also some (most) of them I can't see it being easy to get a work permit for. Maybe not Sander Berge but the others I can see us having a lot of issues

Yes probably mate. I suppose Brands and Silva have to find the right fit for the club too. A lot of what we see with younger players is quite limited game experience, but you have to weigh up how good they are in training and how committed they are to a move.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

How many times have you seen Haller play?

I’m comparing Sangare’s ability at CM and Haller’s ability at CF. There are others out there in Sangare’s price range that can do what he can and better (Amadou Diawara, Sander Berge, Denis Zakaria, Florentino Luis, Diadie Samassekou, Jean Pyerre).

As for Haller not so easily said.

Ok, I'll bite on this one.

Amadou Diawara doesn't play for Napoli for a reason. He's not a good defensive player. He's nowhere near as good as Sangare positionally and regardless of his passing ability, he doesn't make the right decisions with the ball enough.

I LOVE Denis Zakaria. Super smart, great decision maker with the ball, keeps getting pushed into other roles other than a 6, which is what he IS and SHOULD be. But he's not as dynamic as Sangare. But he's not as dynamic as Sangare and doesn't dominate games on both ends like Sangare. Zakaria is a good player that could be a very good player. Sangare could be a superstar.

I also LIKE Haller, but don't love him. Think Rebic, Jovic, Kostic kinda, etc. were much more instrumental in their attack than Haller. He's a good player, good passer, can hold it up a bit, not a complete stiff, and they are better with him in the lineup, but he's just not that dynamic. Don't think he's good enough to lead the line for us in the PL.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

They don’t add goals which is what we need

We need to prevent goals, too. Sangare creates more than Gomes or even Gana. He also has a TON of upside. In addition, better defense translates to more offense. Sangare and Gana if he stayed would make one HELL of a midfield to deal with.

Obviously we need more goals and a CF and some better bench options would help.

 

[windymiller]

Aside from departures id expect there to be a budget at least for transfer fees.

It's not the upfront fees that are the issues, I don't think. From what Brands has been saying I think shifting the fringe players, some of whom (Sandro, Bolasie, Schneiderlin etc..) are on huge wages, will have a bigger impact on our ability to acquire players and manage our wage bill rather than to specifically boost our trabsfer kitty (although I'm sure it won't hurt). Our wages to turnover ratio is a bit Peter Risdale Leeds United for my liking.

 

[The Penny Blue]

Ok, I'll bite on this one.

Amadou Diawara doesn't play for Napoli for a reason. He's not a good defensive player. He's nowhere near as good as Sangare positionally and regardless of his passing ability, he doesn't make the right decisions with the ball enough.

I LOVE Denis Zakaria. Super smart, great decision maker with the ball, keeps getting pushed into other roles other than a 6, which is what he IS and SHOULD be. But he's not as dynamic as Sangare. But he's not as dynamic as Sangare and doesn't dominate games on both ends like Sangare. Zakaria is a good player that could be a very good player. Sangare could be a superstar.

I also LIKE Haller, but don't love him. Think Rebic, Jovic, Kostic kinda, etc. were much more instrumental in their attack than Haller. He's a good player, good passer, can hold it up a bit, not a complete stiff, and they are better with him in the lineup, but he's just not that dynamic. Don't think he's good enough to lead the line for us in the PL.

To be completely honest isn't the worst choice ever but I do think his ball control is below average and could cause some huge problems in the league especially with the constant high pressure teams are using in the top half.

My favorite though out of the ones I listed is Sander Berge. He's an absolute unit (6'4") and boasts a 88% pass completion, 58 passes/90 (better than gana and gomes, tied with schniederlin), ~65% open play duels one, ~65% aerial duel wins (73% won in Europa), 47 successful tackles, 24 interceptions, and 79% tackles won.

I do agree though that Rebic would probably be better than Haller in the league and in our fluid front 3 style that Silva likes.

 

[Zatara]

Diawara-

Napoli spent €14m on him asking for €20m​

Sander Berge-

Florentina bid of €12m was rejected stating it was €5m short (€17m total)​

Zakaria-

MGB signed for €12m. Transfermarkt has him at €17m​

Samassekou-

Estimated between £15-20m​

Jean Pyerre -

Estimated at £5m but expected to sore in price​

Florentino Luis -

€60m I was way off on his price (guess that’s what happens when a youngster is given a few 1st team starts)​

There is a massive tax on said players for english teams though mate.

Would Sangare be subject to the same high taxes?

Also some (most) of them I can't see it being easy to get a work permit for. Maybe not Sander Berge but the others I can see us having a lot of issues

Yes probably mate. I suppose Brands and Silva have to find the right fit for the club too. A lot of what we see with younger players is quite limited game experience, but you have to weigh up how good they are in training and how committed they are to a move.

Ok, I'll bite on this one.

Amadou Diawara doesn't play for Napoli for a reason. He's not a good defensive player. He's nowhere near as good as Sangare positionally and regardless of his passing ability, he doesn't make the right decisions with the ball enough.

I LOVE Denis Zakaria. Super smart, great decision maker with the ball, keeps getting pushed into other roles other than a 6, which is what he IS and SHOULD be. But he's not as dynamic as Sangare. But he's not as dynamic as Sangare and doesn't dominate games on both ends like Sangare. Zakaria is a good player that could be a very good player. Sangare could be a superstar.

I also LIKE Haller, but don't love him. Think Rebic, Jovic, Kostic kinda, etc. were much more instrumental in their attack than Haller. He's a good player, good passer, can hold it up a bit, not a complete stiff, and they are better with him in the lineup, but he's just not that dynamic. Don't think he's good enough to lead the line for us in the PL.

1: I think the salient point made which id like to underline here is:


Sangare could be a star player


2: Its clear that Jovic is the star in a system built to favour the forwards...defenders have 3 players to mark, how would Haller do on his own when the focus is on him?

3: The player we lack is a potential monster in centre midfield, the only one from the list attainable with that profile is Sangare (based upon potential).

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Literally all of those would cost more than Sangare except the last guy whom I've never heard of.

I hope dear lord Jean Pyerre isn't that skinny kid I saw play for Gremio the other night against Libertad.

 

[The Penny Blue]

1: I think the salient point made which id like to underline here is:


Sangare could be a star player


2: Its clear that Jovic is the star in a system built to favour the forwards...defenders have 3 players to mark, how would Haller do on his own when the focus is on him?

3: The player we lack is a potential monster in centre midfield, the only one from the list attainable with that profile is Sangare (based upon potential).

I think both Diawara and Berge are obtainable. Maybe not Zakaria but I'm sure the others we could obtain. Stingy penny pinching spurs are in for Diawara and Fiorentina looks to be leading the charge for Berge. The prices aren't way off what we would be willing to spend either if we are prepared to spend +25m on Gomes.

 

[Goat]

Aside from departures id expect there to be a budget at least for transfer fees.

Its a total myth the whole "transfer kitty", clubs will spend what they can afford to spend, theres never any set amount of money set aside, its all about whats feasible at the time. Lots of factors at play :

How much "spare cash" the club has
How much we can reclaim from sales
How much we can move from the wages column
Can we then invest some saved wages into purchasing
How much the club has available in credit

1 things for sure, Moshiri has never balked at a transfer fee, he has never refused to sanction a player purchase, we have as much as we need, of that im certain, NO, that doesnt mean we can buy Neymar and Mbappe, but I suspect that if Brands REALLY wants a baller and theres not much cash floating around, that the player will be bought.

Of course from an accounting POV we still need to stop paying the wages of 41 first team players, so there will still need to be a MASSIVE firesale and as we saw from Brands comments regards Lozano, hes not somebody that will waste money for the sake of it.

Basically the money is there for the right type of players, as long as we can balance the books to an acceptable level.

 

[The Penny Blue]

I hope dear lord Jean Pyerre isn't that skinny kid I saw play for Gremio the other night against Libertad.

That'd be the lanky [Poor language removed]

 

[Huyton Layne]

Seen rumours of Tammy Abraham, went to watch a highlights vid. 5 minutes later I'm still not sure if he's any good but I can tell you the Championship is absolute balls.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

To be completely honest isn't the worst choice ever but I do think his ball control is below average and could cause some huge problems in the league especially with the constant high pressure teams are using in the top half.

My favorite though out of the ones I listed is Sander Berge. He's an absolute unit (6'4") and boasts a 88% pass completion, 58 passes/90 (better than gana and gomes, tied with schniederlin), ~65% open play duels one, ~65% aerial duel wins (73% won in Europa), 47 successful tackles, 24 interceptions, and 79% tackles won.

I do agree though that Rebic would probably be better than Haller in the league and in our fluid front 3 style that Silva likes.

Look at that, Penny Blue and I agreeing on some things.

Since I haven't eaten the cost to get Wyscout, I honestly have not seen him play much, which is frustrating. He seems to have a good first touch and some obvious distribution ability, but is he athletic enough or positionally aware enough to play in CM in the PL? Maybe not now, but in the future? How does he compare with Dendoncker who I think is hopelessly slow and while he has SOME decent ball skills, is not someone you'd build a central midfield around. He's AT BEST a medicore PL player and don't see him getting much better.