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Summer transfer window 2023

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MikeH72 said:
Fair enough. I disagree with all of that. Let’s take someone like Amad Diallo for example. Everyone knows he’s available for loan, he will be going out on loan whether it’s tomorrow or at the end of the window. If he’s still available for a loan in the last week of the window we’ll probably be one of many clubs interested in him, as when that time comes we’ll be woefully short on numbers and already into the season. Except if we don’t beat off the competition for him and he goes elsewhere, at that time we have absolutely no alternative but to scramble around desperately and likely make a panic signing as it’ll be the last week of the window. It’s not what proper clubs do.

He’s just one example but there are absolutely loads of players that the footballing world already knows will be available for loan. You’ll tell me that we don’t “know” they are because no one has explicitly said in public that they are, but applying a little bit of common sense leads you to the conclusion that they will be going out on loan.
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Lets assume Diallo does end up going out on loan, even then hes a rare case of a player talented enough to improve the squad, but unwanted by his current club purely because he needs more experience. There are not many of those, and United havent even made their decision yet. Further, United WONT be making their decision yet, so we dont have the opportunity to take him early in the window. He will almost surely get some preseason action with the main squad.

So then the very player you use as an example wont be available early on, because as I said almost all early available loan deals are not players anyone wants. There are not loads of players that everyone already knows are available for loan. The number of actual really good players available on loan early in a window is just a few, and they are going to a club like Real Madrid or Juve, we dont live in that world.

We are now several weeks into the window. How many of the players we need to bring in have gone on loan?
 

Sources: Plymouth Argyle in advanced talks to sign Everton star Lewis Gibson​

Plymouth Argyle are in advanced talks to sign Everton defender Lewis Gibson, sources have told Football Insider.

The Championship new boys have moved for the centre-back, 22, and are set to beat a number of EFL rivals to his signature
 

Dwight K Schrute said:
No. To take a club to the next level, there has to be some consolidation of that success or to move on again. One flash in the pan is just a freak occurrence.

For example, Moyes took us to the next level from relegation fodder to in and around the European places on a regular basis. However, he could not take us beyond that, to the next level again - regular CL qualification and trophies.

Alan Pardew got Newcastle into Europe one season. There are lots of examples of bad managers achieving a flash in the pan moment.
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Dyche got them promotion then kept Burnley in the Prem on a shoe string plus got them into Europe. Name another manager who's done that on the type of money he had to spend. Moyse did get us a 17th place finish in the 2003/2004 season and a few outside the top ten so it wasn't all roses.
 
Angel Gomes looks like a prospect. Iwobi out for 15-20 million then bring in Angel or ideally le fee (Kudus is the dream but he has better options or costs too much) and we are set in midfield with Garner, Onana and Le Fee/Gomes for a while.
 
Zatara said:
A Simms + Gray sale should be able to land a good quality centre forward at the numbers touted.




Feyenoord, PSV and Ajax teams would finish above Everton and a handful of others.

To disagree with that is just flat out stupid.
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You can't say that.
Those teams have a few testing games in a season in Holland . In the Premiership they would be fully tested every week.
Buying players from Holland is very risky as we found out, because the standard there is so low.

It is impossible to know where they would finish.
 
davids said:
Dyche got them promotion then kept Burnley in the Prem on a shoe string plus got them into Europe. Name another manager who's done that on the type of money he had to spend. Moyse did get us a 17th place finish in the 2003/2004 season and a few outside the top ten so it wasn't all roses.
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This is genuinely getting ridiculous now. I am fully aware Moyes finished outside contention for European places in 03/04, as he did in 05/06. However between 02/03 and when he left, he had taken us to the next level. But could not take us to the one after.

Your (and a couple of other posters') desire to be really pedantic to defend Dyche is so weird. It really is. I've said my piece over multiple posts and made my points. What you are firing back isn't a defence of your position, it is just pedantry. Let's agree to disagree. As I said on this matter several posts ago.
 

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