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Sunderland 1-0 Everton. 20th Apr @ 15.00.

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But Suarez and Neville never made "cynical tackles" to stop clear goal scoring opportunities.

They stopped the ball going in with their hand and were sent off.

Same as the goalie did today.

I am sure you are right in what you say, BigBlueConk, it just seems a bit anamolous to me.

Its a bit of a get out clause for refs isnt it.

Neville and Suarez are not accountable to the back pass rule that goalkeepers are, hence only a yellow card for the keeper.
They are dealt with under a the different law.

Now once the keeper leaves his area, he gets a straight red for handling the ball, whereas as other players get a yellow!

We'd be fuming if Tim Howard was ever sent off for it!
 
It's a wonderful interpretation lads, but to send a keeper off for that is NOT in the laws of the game.

The pass to keeper rule, aka the backpass rule, is/was intended to keep the game moving faster and reduce time wasting. Any reference to stopping the ball going into the net was never made within the rule as a red card offence.

The law concerning stopping a goal scoring opportunity is in reference to cynical tackles when clean through with a ball at your feet.

You can't mix the two to suit your own ends.

Yeah this is right, there is nothing in the rules that states specifically that Mignolet should have been sent off.

However it is pretty vague and seemingly if Mignolet had handled the ball in the exact same way outside the area from a backpass when a striker was running onto it he would have been sent off for denying a golascoring opportunity. Yet denying a goal the way he did isn't a red card offense.

"A player is sent off, however, if he prevents a goal or an obvious goalscoring
opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. This punishment arises not from
the act of the player deliberately handling the ball but from the unacceptable
and unfair intervention that prevented a goal being scored"

Mignolet clearly did that but because he was inside the area :

"Outside his own penalty area, the goalkeeper has the same restrictions
on handling the ball as any other player. Inside his own penalty area, the
goalkeeper cannot be guilty of a handling offence incurring a direct free kick
or any misconduct related to handling the ball. He can, however, be guilty of
several handling offences that incur an indirect free kick"

Hence only a direct free kick for handling the ball from a backpass.
 

Yeah this is right, there is nothing in the rules that states specifically that Mignolet should have been sent off.

However it is pretty vague and seemingly if Mignolet had handled the ball in the exact same way outside the area from a backpass when a striker was running onto it he would have been sent off for denying a golascoring opportunity. Yet denying a goal the way he did isn't a red card offense.

"A player is sent off, however, if he prevents a goal or an obvious goalscoring
opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. This punishment arises not from
the act of the player deliberately handling the ball but from the unacceptable
and unfair intervention that prevented a goal being scored"

Mignolet clearly did that but because he was inside the area :

"Outside his own penalty area, the goalkeeper has the same restrictions
on handling the ball as any other player. Inside his own penalty area, the
goalkeeper cannot be guilty of a handling offence incurring a direct free kick
or any misconduct related to handling the ball. He can, however, be guilty of
several handling offences that incur an indirect free kick"

Hence only a direct free kick for handling the ball from a backpass.


Yeah, like I said in the other post. It is a bit of a 'get out' clause for refs and goalkeepers. Very subjective. But not a red card under the current laws.
 
If you don't create chances, you don't win games, simple. We are playing with no urgency, and carrying far too many players.
 
It was explained to me by a ref that on another day, he may not have even been carded for touching the ball with his hands under the pass to keeper law.

Yeah i can't see anything saying it should be a yellow unless its deemed to fall under "unsporting behavior", which i guess him handling it despite clearly knowing it was a backpass is.
 
Not a single player had a good game today . Disgusting . Its like everytime we are in good form we slip up. It happened last year when we pounded sunderland 4-0 then loose the semi final of the fa cup to the ****e . Then we were in good form going into wigan game and we all knew how that turned out and now this . Its seems no one can keep a constant level of performance . Baines had is worst game in an everton shirt . Osman was bad then even fellaini cant get a goal now . Pienaar has being gash . Coleman hasnt impressed today even thought his great game last week . Mirallas doesnt get brought into play enough . Jelavic needs the season to be over with for the better . Keep him over summer let him have a full preseason then if hes not good get rid in january . Anichebe has gone backwards badly. There needs to be changes in the summer
 

If you don't create chances, you don't win games, simple. We are playing with no urgency, and carrying far too many players.

I was thinking while watching the game and reading the forum, 3 or 4 players were highlighted as being very poor. However, for me the rest were not that good either! Just not misplacing so many passes as the others. Bad day all round.
 
I was thinking while watching the game and reading the forum, 3 or 4 players were highlighted as being very poor. However, for me the rest were not that good either! Just not misplacing so many passes as the others. Bad day all round.

I think there were 3 or 4 who constantly gave the ball away, or turned back when under the slightest bit of pressure.

Our team on paper had more quality today, but Sunderland had more heart, desire and obviously wanted the win more, watching Sunderland was like watching an Everton of old.
 
I think there were 3 or 4 who constantly gave the ball away, or turned back when under the slightest bit of pressure.

Our team on paper had more quality today, but Sunderland had more heart, desire and obviously wanted the win more, watching Sunderland was like watching an Everton of old.

Or last Tuesday! Very frustrating today, but Sland were on it from the off. Fair play, they deserved the win, despite a small improvement in the 2nd half from us.
 
I think the side is running on empty. We've done well in tough games against City, Spurs and Arsenal recently but today we couldn't get up for it. I hoped that a month out would have revitalised Fellaini and Pienaar but maybe it's disrupted their rhythm instead?

Arsenal have the best form in the league at the moment with 5 wins and a draw from their last 6 games. And it's unlikely that Chelsea won't make their games in hand count, so the Champions League was never really on and I think the players knew that.

We can certainly give Spurs a run for the Europa League spot though and we'll want to keep ahead of Liverpool, so our season isn't over yet. Infact, if Tottenham lose to City tomorrow they will have only taken 7 points out of the last 18 available.
 
Wenger on why Everton lost today

on getting protection…
Against Everton it was a very physical game. Somewhere I feel that physically we were a bit jaded today in the second half, maybe because we gave a lot against Everton. I've seen that Everton lost at Sunderland. It was a very physical game on Tuesday night.
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:lol: he doesnt know when to stop
 

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