Sunderland afc

[Zatara]

Maja was never saying, no matter what was offered. I think he was quite clear, it was a bit of a comedy and he wanted to play top level football to improve. They should have ascertained that much earlier and tried to sell him to Everton, or Spurs (someone who would have paid a fair bit more for him). I could have seen them getting £5 million from a PL team.

I'd have also sent a recruitment team out to go and look at every play from league 2 to the NL North and seen who was kicking about. I'd have also been looking at under 23 squads, and selling the PL team the carrot that they get to play in a comparable stadium in front of 30k for their development. I mean maybe they could have got Troy Parrot? It sounds mad but 12 months ago maybe a Mason Greenwood would have gone for 6 months? Alongside 1 or 2 from the lower leagues who were eager to impress.

Whacking silly money on Grigg who was on a hot streak just didn't work. In fairness Jack Ross said it wouldn't work. I mean maybe he could have guided them on players in the Scottish Championship as well?

Just on those points, I actually think Wyke was the right sort of signing to have made. They didn't pay a fortune for him, when he signed he was mid 20's, from the area and was fairly battle hardened. His record (if you exclude Wigan) is similar to Griggs. The previous 3 seasons 12 in 34 in L2, 14-26 L2 then 7 in 16 L1 & then 15 in 40 in L1.

It didn't work out at Sunderland, but you are not gambling the house on such a deal.

As for a manager, I actually think Ross did well for them, I think he was a good appointment. I don't think he was helped with those above him. The loss of Maja was clearly massive and they missed an opportunity to probably get 3 or 4 in to help him.

That being said, I know Kevin Ball did a good job here when he was in charge. What surprises me is they haven't really got enough of a Sunderland DNA through the club. I know people dislike our "jobs for the boys" stuff here and I do understand the criticism, but at Sunderland I think you see the limitations. A lot of the players who helped get them into great positions over the last 20+ years have gone and have seemingly no role in the club. It's a shame some of them didn't start on the coaching side and would be able to come through to coach the first team.

For them I'd even be open to getting a Peter Reid back involved somehow in the academy side of things and really try to re-build that. The financial situation is awful, and accept money will be lost in the short term whole they clear wages the club, but enforce a strict wage cap (league 1 level) and essentially recruit players who will go through brick walls for Sunderland.

That Charlie fella kept going on about the culture of the staff. But it comes from the top. His mate running the club is whacking offers of multi-million pounds on players in a club that is going heading to bankruptcy, with lads earning 50k pw and he expects people who are probably being paid what, 20k-30k p/a to not think the whole organisation is not a joke? If my boss was trying to tell me that my attitude was the problem, when his colleague and him were making decisions to waste millions on players such as Will Grigg, I'd have no respect for him either. I'd think he was chasing the penny and losing site of the pound.

I think what they need is a manager to get behind...

Someone like a Ferguson or a Cahill to get the place behind them...it seemed to work a bit with Chris Coleman but these 2 are next level for motivation and drive.

Once they have someone like that in place they can then rebuild behind him and create a new structure, style and image.

Just going through managers who cant rise to the big occasion and go defensive wont cut it.

 

[catcherintherye]

I think what they need is a manager to get behind...

Someone like a Ferguson or a Cahill to get the place behind them...it seemed to work a bit with Chris Coleman but these 2 are next level for motivation and drive.

Once they have someone like that in place they can then rebuild behind him and create a new structure, style and image.

Just going through managers who cant rise to the big occasion and go defensive wont cut it.

I think this is true. However I think it's hard to pluck out of thin air. I mean I do doubt Ferguson would be as effective anywhere but Everton, and probably Cahill too. Ferguson benefitted from being able to start at under 18's, alongside a former player and work his way up. I think those who have served the club for a long time, understand the culture, understand what works well provide an important backbone to the organisation.

Sunderland seem to have precious little of this. Thats why I mentioned about Peter Reid, who at least has a bit of a history with the place. Starting to get people like that in the background, even if it's just working with the academy initially to begin to generate the sort of coaches who can help at first team level. I mentioned Kevin Ball for that reason really.

The left field shout, might be a Steven Gerrard who has done really well at Rangers, and would clearly demand standards. They could have potentially got him before he went to Rangers but may not bow be able too. But someone like Gerrard, maybe working with a Peter Reid in the background (both Huyton lads with a similar outlook) would probably really help the club. I'll be frank, I don't think the mishandling of the Maja situation occurs with them in charge as managers. I think Gerrard probably insists he signs in the summer, and wouldn't have sanctioned him leaving in the January.

 

[Zatara]

I think this is true. However I think it's hard to pluck out of thin air. I mean I do doubt Ferguson would be as effective anywhere but Everton, and probably Cahill too. Ferguson benefitted from being able to start at under 18's, alongside a former player and work his way up. I think those who have served the club for a long time, understand the culture, understand what works well provide an important backbone to the organisation.

Sunderland seem to have precious little of this. Thats why I mentioned about Peter Reid, who at least has a bit of a history with the place. Starting to get people like that in the background, even if it's just working with the academy initially to begin to generate the sort of coaches who can help at first team level. I mentioned Kevin Ball for that reason really.

The left field shout, might be a Steven Gerrard who has done really well at Rangers, and would clearly demand standards. They could have potentially got him before he went to Rangers but may not bow be able too. But someone like Gerrard, maybe working with a Peter Reid in the background (both Huyton lads with a similar outlook) would probably really help the club. I'll be frank, I don't think the mishandling of the Maja situation occurs with them in charge as managers. I think Gerrard probably insists he signs in the summer, and wouldn't have sanctioned him leaving in the January.

Good shout this...

 

[LostLegend]

Just finished watching this.

First series was excellent, but that second series was outright strange.

The new owner seems a decent fella, but looks way in over his head with how he dealt with transfers.
That Charlie fella is an proper gimp though. A marketing middle manager tosspot who's somehow risen to the top.
There's a scene where he outright laughs off giving fans who have traveled to several cup games first refusal for tickets and his response is "I only care about the money" I get he's trying to step the club from going under, but, jesus, at least pretend to care.

Also reckon they got the casting director from the Jeremy Kyle show to pick the fans they interviewed. What a very strange bunch.
Marching for brexit and erecting a massive crucifix overlooking the town. They're probably safer in league one.

 

[Albertini78]

so in other words you got nothing?

No ....So in in other words we got £1.5m

The top goalscorer's move to France's top tier was confirmed on Saturday, which is believed to be worth £3.5m overall.

Half of that fee is based on appearances and other bonuses, while a big chunk will also be used to pay Bordeaux back money still owed for the 2016 transfer of Wahbi Khazri.

Losing 20-year-old Maja is a blow to Sunderland, with the academy graduate in fine form this season, netting 16 goals in total.

 

[RomanReigns]

i reckon we should sign maja from bordeaux

 

[Charles Plastusz]

I think this is true. However I think it's hard to pluck out of thin air. I mean I do doubt Ferguson would be as effective anywhere but Everton, and probably Cahill too. Ferguson benefitted from being able to start at under 18's, alongside a former player and work his way up. I think those who have served the club for a long time, understand the culture, understand what works well provide an important backbone to the organisation.

Sunderland seem to have precious little of this. Thats why I mentioned about Peter Reid, who at least has a bit of a history with the place. Starting to get people like that in the background, even if it's just working with the academy initially to begin to generate the sort of coaches who can help at first team level. I mentioned Kevin Ball for that reason really.

The left field shout, might be a Steven Gerrard who has done really well at Rangers, and would clearly demand standards. They could have potentially got him before he went to Rangers but may not bow be able too. But someone like Gerrard, maybe working with a Peter Reid in the background (both Huyton lads with a similar outlook) would probably really help the club. I'll be frank, I don't think the mishandling of the Maja situation occurs with them in charge as managers. I think Gerrard probably insists he signs in the summer, and wouldn't have sanctioned him leaving in the January.

Has slippy done well? Amazing the way the media spin stuff for one their darlings. He was hanging on by his webbed feet before the season stalled/finished. Bluffer of the highest order

 

[ClausThomsen]

Just finished watching this.

First series was excellent, but that second series was outright strange.

I agree about the first series.

The second one suffered by coming in off the back of that. There wasn't the massive failure and wild lurches that the first series had and there wasn't any glory for a big uplifting finish. It just fell through the gaps and was ultimately a big ho-hum.

Seemed to cut off very quickly as well. There was no look at the fall out from not going up - almost as if there was suddenly a lack of cooperation from the club?

 

[Albertini78]

i reckon we should sign maja from bordeaux

Why

 

[Albertini78]

Jack Ross should've been sacked after the Charlton game

 

[RomanReigns]

Why

Good finisher

 

[orly]

Apparently in very serious financial trouble due to the delays.

 

[Harryflashman]

Apparently in very serious financial trouble due to the delays.

not just them though is it ? Sport in this country is in trouble be that football outside the premier league , rugby league or even cricket. We could certainly see clubs go to the wall , in the case of rugby league the sport itself might be in trouble .

 

[orly]

not just them though is it ? Sport in this country is in trouble be that football outside the premier league , rugby league or even cricket. We could certainly see clubs go to the wall , in the case of rugby league the sport itself might be in trouble .

But this is the Sunderland thread.

 

[Harryflashman]

But this is the Sunderland thread.

oh yeah they’re deffo in trouble