Sunderland afc

[bullybeef]

What happened to the Irish commercial manager who so obviously wanted Charlie M to give her babies?

She seemed to disappear from the show fairly abruptly.

 

[Zatara]

I don't think the manager really suggested other names and didn't seem to be massively involved in the recruitment side of the club.

The issue for me, was they didn't seem to have generated a list of targets from the recruitment side.

That was the thing that floored me, the lack of options once Maja was gone. Even if you're short staffed there are dozens of football databases and services out there who could have identified better and cheaper targets.

The mad thing is that they must have spent around £4mil and got back £1.5mil from Maja.

So an outlay of £2.5mil which they could have used on a top player from another side + given Maja a bonus to get them into the championship on a 1 year contract extension + guarantee to sell in the summer at £2mil.

The agent and Maja would have made more money that way + would have probably got a better salary offer if he continued to deliver. No brainer for sunderland

If you watch the games later on they've got a lad called Wyche playing upfront. I've just googled it and he signed that same month for 650k. The telling thing for me is when he'd sealed the deal for Grigg and he said 'if you need a goal in the last half hour, he can come on...'. Record signing fee for that division and he's talking about him like a super sub. Nice bloke but not a clue about football.

That was madness, i couldnt understand why he said that. Wyke doesnt seem to hit a barn door either.

For the £3mil they could have signed 3+ u23 league 2 players that they could have as assets.

i dont get why they dont try and grab some of these under 18 / under 23 youngsters from the prem teams on loan

they must still have some links with the prem sides having spent many years in the prem. Plus they have a massive link with us with the whole bradley affair and kenwright donating money to them etc.

worst case scenario they contact bill or mosh and say can you give us a bit of hand and loan us an up and coming striker or a reserve striker (obviously if the player is willing to move)

That Maja would have been what 19/20 when he left?

Maybe Sambou, Hornby or Lavery could have done a job for them on loan?

What they really could do with is a high profile player wanting a crack as manager someone like Ferguson / Cahill that could entice clubs to send players there.

Got shafted over Griggs there.

How on earth do you go from a max bid of £1.2m to £3m?

That was madness.

What happened to the Irish commercial manager who so obviously wanted Charlie M to give her babies?

She seemed to disappear from the show fairly abruptly.

Got packed off to their charitable organisation i think.

 

[Minimeister]

What happened to the Irish commercial manager who so obviously wanted Charlie M to give her babies?

She seemed to disappear from the show fairly abruptly.

At the very end of one of the episodes you see her put a box in the car and hugging one of her colleagues like she's leaving. I thought the next episode was going to be about why she lelft but she was never heard of again!

 

[witchdoc187]

Just started it and i'm dying laughing at the business cock putting the EDM forward for the walkout music.

That was a really difficult watch. Pure David Brent. "When I used to DJ"

 

[bullybeef]

At the very end of one of the episodes you see her put a box in the car and hugging one of her colleagues like she's leaving. I thought the next episode was going to be about why she lelft but she was never heard of again!

I wonder whether she was screwing Charlie and someone’s partner found out.

The footage of her twirling her hair whilst he was delivering one of his David Brent style presentations was a dead give away, especially as everyone else was in the room looked bored as.

 

[Zatara]

I wonder whether she was screwing Charlie and someone’s partner found out.

The footage of her twirling her hair whilst he was delivering one of his David Brent style presentations was a dead give away, especially as everyone else was in the room looked bored as.

I got the impression she hated him and was bored...hence the eye rolling in the meetings.

 

[catcherintherye]

The mad thing is that they must have spent around £4mil and got back £1.5mil from Maja.

So an outlay of £2.5mil which they could have used on a top player from another side + given Maja a bonus to get them into the championship on a 1 year contract extension + guarantee to sell in the summer at £2mil.

The agent and Maja would have made more money that way + would have probably got a better salary offer if he continued to deliver. No brainer for sunderland

Maja was never saying, no matter what was offered. I think he was quite clear, it was a bit of a comedy and he wanted to play top level football to improve. They should have ascertained that much earlier and tried to sell him to Everton, or Spurs (someone who would have paid a fair bit more for him). I could have seen them getting £5 million from a PL team.

I'd have also sent a recruitment team out to go and look at every play from league 2 to the NL North and seen who was kicking about. I'd have also been looking at under 23 squads, and selling the PL team the carrot that they get to play in a comparable stadium in front of 30k for their development. I mean maybe they could have got Troy Parrot? It sounds mad but 12 months ago maybe a Mason Greenwood would have gone for 6 months? Alongside 1 or 2 from the lower leagues who were eager to impress.

Whacking silly money on Grigg who was on a hot streak just didn't work. In fairness Jack Ross said it wouldn't work. I mean maybe he could have guided them on players in the Scottish Championship as well?

 

[jayonenote]

There was a clue when they showed a clip of her giving someone a hug in the car park next to her car (which I assumed she had just loaded up)

What happened to the Irish commercial manager who so obviously wanted Charlie M to give her babies?

She seemed to disappear from the show fairly abruptly.

 

[catcherintherye]

That was madness, i couldnt understand why he said that. Wyke doesnt seem to hit a barn door either.

For the £3mil they could have signed 3+ u23 league 2 players that they could have as assets.



What they really could do with is a high profile player wanting a crack as manager someone like Ferguson / Cahill that could entice clubs to send players there.

Just on those points, I actually think Wyke was the right sort of signing to have made. They didn't pay a fortune for him, when he signed he was mid 20's, from the area and was fairly battle hardened. His record (if you exclude Wigan) is similar to Griggs. The previous 3 seasons 12 in 34 in L2, 14-26 L2 then 7 in 16 L1 & then 15 in 40 in L1.

It didn't work out at Sunderland, but you are not gambling the house on such a deal.

As for a manager, I actually think Ross did well for them, I think he was a good appointment. I don't think he was helped with those above him. The loss of Maja was clearly massive and they missed an opportunity to probably get 3 or 4 in to help him.

That being said, I know Kevin Ball did a good job here when he was in charge. What surprises me is they haven't really got enough of a Sunderland DNA through the club. I know people dislike our "jobs for the boys" stuff here and I do understand the criticism, but at Sunderland I think you see the limitations. A lot of the players who helped get them into great positions over the last 20+ years have gone and have seemingly no role in the club. It's a shame some of them didn't start on the coaching side and would be able to come through to coach the first team.

For them I'd even be open to getting a Peter Reid back involved somehow in the academy side of things and really try to re-build that. The financial situation is awful, and accept money will be lost in the short term whole they clear wages the club, but enforce a strict wage cap (league 1 level) and essentially recruit players who will go through brick walls for Sunderland.

That Charlie fella kept going on about the culture of the staff. But it comes from the top. His mate running the club is whacking offers of multi-million pounds on players in a club that is going heading to bankruptcy, with lads earning 50k pw and he expects people who are probably being paid what, 20k-30k p/a to not think the whole organisation is not a joke? If my boss was trying to tell me that my attitude was the problem, when his colleague and him were making decisions to waste millions on players such as Will Grigg, I'd have no respect for him either. I'd think he was chasing the penny and losing site of the pound.

 

[zzr45]

Where the hell was Tony Coton on Deadline Day? Looked like he was cooped up in a container on a car park he was security for.

The whole thing just showed really bad planning from the Recruitment lot, was clear that Maja was leaving because he was far better than the level, but there never seemed to be any succession planning. Hence why they seemed to jump on Grigg.

Them treating McGeady like a God made me chuckle.

 

[Rook]

I'm sure we owed Bordeaux another £1.5m from the Khazri transfer so they wrote that off with getting Josh for that price so you could say he went for £3m really

Losing him knacked us saying that only Sunderland could sign a lethal L1 striker and he cant hit a barn door for us

so in other words you got nothing?

 

[catcherintherye]

Where the hell was Tony Coton on Deadline Day? Looked like he was cooped up in a container on a car park he was security for.

The whole thing just showed really bad planning from the Recruitment lot, was clear that Maja was leaving because he was far better than the level, but there never seemed to be any succession planning. Hence why they seemed to jump on Grigg.

Them treating McGeady like a God made me chuckle.

I said this earlier on mate. He was laughing with that Charlie bloke in another room at how much of an idiot the chairman was. Incredible really, and partly why I couldn't have that Charlie bloke at all. He was wrong on those it was easy to be strong with (women on minimum wage and just above) but weak on those who were in positions of authority. A complete un utter fraud.

 

[ClausThomsen]

I got the impression she hated him and was bored...hence the eye rolling in the meetings.

That's exactly the impression I got. Not sure how anyone gets the impression she was giving him the come on.

 

[ClausThomsen]

No idea of the financial state of either club but if it's at the point where it's furlough or bust what can they do? How much do the players get paid.

This is the tip of the ice berg for football. It's a million miles away from the rs trying to scam the system.

They've put out a statement saying everyone will get their full pay but also they'll be on furlough. Since the Governments furlough scheme only covers £2500 per month per person I can't see that it covers much of the first teams wages. But if they've got 30 or 40 players on the staff (including contracted academy players) then I suppose it adds up to a fair chunk of change for a financially struggling club.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Got shafted over Griggs there.

How on earth do you go from a max bid of £1.2m to £3m?

Desperation, an inexperienced person in charge of transfers and a deadline....