Sunderland afc

[orly]

Sleeping giant of world footy though orly.

Amazing stuff. 6 fans went down to a recent senior game and they are a whinging about 'unrewarded passion'.

Liquidation not only a certainty, but a necessity at this stage.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Amazing stuff. 6 fans went down to a recent senior game and they are a whinging about 'unrewarded passion'.

Liquidation not only a certainty, but a necessity at this stage.

They're getting as bad as the Geordies mate, Mackdies we should rename them!

 

[orly]

They're getting as bad as the Geordies mate, Mackdies we should rename them!

that really is holding a mirror up to nature isn't it?!?

Fantastic. Perhaps they will only have truly reached rock-bottom and start the recovery when they can acknowledge that they are in fact, more deluded than those Geordie meffs.

This is the truth they did not dare to acknowledge. A big day.

 

[Safc-mark-91]

One of the funniest posts I've ever seen on here. The delusion and self-entitlement is off the scale.

@orly please elaborate mate.

What delusion? I've already conceded we're at a new low. Is it deluded of me to dream of a top 10 finish?

You do this all the time, you quote my text, then you refuse to specifically pinpoint exactly what you disagree with, then you talk in a cryptic code of insults. Quite similar, to a drunken old man in the pub ranting on about Margaret Thatcher but not saying exactly why he hates her.

For once, cut the insults and play the ball rather than the man.

I'm liking one of your posts, simply be referring to Newcastle as "Geordie meffs" - Finally! We have common ground.

Knew I'd win you over eventually pal lol

 

[Connor]

@orly please elaborate mate.

What delusion? I've already conceded we're at a new low. Is it deluded of me to dream of a top 10 finish?

You do this all the time, you quote my text, then you refuse to specifically pinpoint exactly what you disagree with, then you talk in a cryptic code of insults. Quite similar, to a drunken old man in the pub ranting on about Margaret Thatcher but not saying exactly why he hates her.

For once, cut the insults and play the ball rather than the man.

I'm liking one of your posts, simply be referring to Newcastle as "Geordie meffs" - Finally! We have common ground.

Knew I'd win you over eventually pal lol

She's dead, mate.

 

[COYBL25]

She's dead, mate.

Don't tell @peteblue, it'll end him

 

[Connor]

Don't tell @peteblue, it'll end him

 

[COYBL25]

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I think that should do the trick

 

[EFC78]

Well, I enjoyed reading your post mate and I must say - unlike a certain someone on this thread, you've made good points with solid foundation for your argument. Thank you. Now, I'll try and respond. Just before I do that, there's a lot than Everton & Sunderland fans have in common in terms of massively underachieving and have little to show in terms of trophies, for our efforts. Before @orly jumps in to shout "We're in the Premiership and you're heading towards oblivion in league 1 how can you compare" my comparasion is simply underachieving. There's no doubt, you've consistently proven yourself as a solid premiership club whilst we have been a yo-yo club, you have established yourself in the Premiership for many years, whilst we never have since Peter Reid in 99/2000. You've also pushed for top 6 finishes, we haven't. You've spent god knows how many years in the top flight, inflicting some heavy defeats on us in the process. I have genuine respect for your team and Everton as a whole, are a classy club - Just like at what you did for poor Bradley.

Anyway, back to and my claim that we are 'world class'. In terms of support. Admittedly, I'm probably biased, however, I stand by my comment. Consistently, over the years, we have turned up in our thousands home & away. When we had our brief spell under Peter Reid, when we finished in the top 6, we were getting 40 odd thousand every home game. Our club has so much potential, we have a excellent fan base, good stadium, and excellent youth/training facilities. Yet, for all that, we've had virtually nothing to show for it. We went down with 19 points, which was (at the time) the lowest points total, a few years later in 2005/2006 we broke our own record by finishing with 15 points. (Luckily, Derby now have that unwanted record when they only got 12 I think from memory). All we need is a 'good' season in the Premiership and we would get 40,000 every home game, only 6/7 clubs would get higher.

We've also had to endure a dismal derby record v Newcastle (up until recently when we got 6 in a row) and watch them finish higher than us, sometimes in a higher division. They have mocked us and ridiculed us as being "in their shadow". I'd argue, we're probably one of the 'least rewarded' clubs in the world for a club of our size and structure.

You'e right, recently, our attendances have fallen to new lows, but like you say, only 2 or 3 clubs get more than us, despite the fact We're rooted at the bottom of the league.

We're so passionate about football here, it literally makes-or-breaks our weekend. If only, a manager could take us to new heights (it wouldn't take much I know) there's no limit to what we could achieve.

Our geographical location puts us at a massive disadvantage. Let's be honest, no world class footballer wants to play in Sunderland, often considered a **** hole! For example, a few years ago we were after Peter Crouch but his WAG did not want to live in Sunderland - That was the end of that deal.

I know I haven't totally justified my 'world class' comment but I genuinely don't think many clubs would still get the numbers we get, after years of misery we've suffered. I feel we're a sleeping giant. Now, we're at a all-time low, we've never been further away from my 'dream' of seeing Sunderland compete in the top 10 of the Premiership and it breaks my heart.

It's a shame that you never pushed on after that 10th placed finish. I've read a few posts online from your fans slating Steve Bruce despite the 10th placed finish though. What's the story behind the hate there, not being patronising as it could be something fairly obvious from the time but I just can't remember?

I do think Sunderland's potential is there, but as you said yourself, you're at a bit of a disadvantage due to geographical location. The Geordies won't admit it but they are too. Newcastle may be a more well known City than Sunderland but it's not an attractive location for the Premier League footballer like London and the North West/Cheshire is, which makes both Manchester and Merseyside clubs more attractive before you even consider the size of those 4 clubs.

You've had to endure a lot recently and I think over the next few years as long as there is a sign of a positive change in the future, even if that means slipping in to League 1 and then getting promoted back up, I think the fans will start to return. Hope is everything in football whether that's near the top of the Premier league or low down in league 2 and that's reflected in your crowds now.

One final thing though that I have to pick you up on is this perceived hard time you've had sharing the region with Newcastle. You should try being in our shoes where that's concerned. No away win at Anfield since 1999, no win at Goodison since 2010. Played them in the Semi Final at Wembley in 2012 and lost right near the end, lost 2 FA Cup Finals to them at Wembley, have lost countless recent derbies in the last minute, had to endure Gerrard hat-tricks etc. When we came 4th which was a great achievement in relative terms to the quality of our squad they outdid us and won the CL. The likes of Jonjoe Kenny and Tom Davies in our first team won't even know what it's like for us to have won at Anfield.

Newcastle United are a laughing stock. In their 'glory years' in the 90's they won absolutely nothing, have suffered 2 recent relegation's one of which was inflicted by yourselves and you beat them 6 times in a row. When you lose the derby you go back to a family full of your own fans, and don't have to take the stick off family members or suffer the humiliation in work/school like we do. How many 'Mags' are in the media constantly bigging them up and putting you down like we have to put up with them...You should count yourselves lucky who your derby rival is.

 

[Sunderland afc]

Well this thread has turned. Not what I planned it to be so I'm out.

 

[1874]

The great Sunderland support is a bit of a myth. It's not bad, but in the prem they were giving away thousands of free tickets and they were one of the cheapest clubs to follow. Also, which has already been mentioned, they nearly always took the smallest allocation available in the prem. our support was by no means great at times in the prem, but we never went around saying it was.

Their crowds in the championship are actually far lower than what's being announced.Their away support is nowhere near being the best in the league and they have taken some small followings away this season. Our support home and away has been much better, especially our away support which was class last season and still remains strong. If they went through what Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday had been through, then their support wouldn't be anywhere near those two clubs.

 

[Safc-mark-91]

It's a shame that you never pushed on after that 10th placed finish. I've read a few posts online from your fans slating Steve Bruce despite the 10th placed finish though. What's the story behind the hate there, not being patronising as it could be something fairly obvious from the time but I just can't remember?

I do think Sunderland's potential is there, but as you said yourself, you're at a bit of a disadvantage due to geographical location. The Geordies won't admit it but they are too. Newcastle may be a more well known City than Sunderland but it's not an attractive location for the Premier League footballer like London and the North West/Cheshire is, which makes both Manchester and Merseyside clubs more attractive before you even consider the size of those 4 clubs.

You've had to endure a lot recently and I think over the next few years as long as there is a sign of a positive change in the future, even if that means slipping in to League 1 and then getting promoted back up, I think the fans will start to return. Hope is everything in football whether that's near the top of the Premier league or low down in league 2 and that's reflected in your crowds now.

One final thing though that I have to pick you up on is this perceived hard time you've had sharing the region with Newcastle. You should try being in our shoes where that's concerned. No away win at Anfield since 1999, no win at Goodison since 2010. Played them in the Semi Final at Wembley in 2012 and lost right near the end, lost 2 FA Cup Finals to them at Wembley, have lost countless recent derbies in the last minute, had to endure Gerrard hat-tricks etc. When we came 4th which was a great achievement in relative terms to the quality of our squad they outdid us and won the CL. The likes of Jonjoe Kenny and Tom Davies in our first team won't even know what it's like for us to have won at Anfield.

Newcastle United are a laughing stock. In their 'glory years' in the 90's they won absolutely nothing, have suffered 2 recent relegation's one of which was inflicted by yourselves and you beat them 6 times in a row. When you lose the derby you go back to a family full of your own fans, and don't have to take the stick off family members or suffer the humiliation in work/school like we do. How many 'Mags' are in the media constantly bigging them up and putting you down like we have to put up with them...You should count yourselves lucky who your derby rival is.

Ironically, Steve Bruce is a Geordie and he took us to our highest ever finish in our latest Premiership stint. As petty as it sounds, Sunderland fans found it hard to back him having Newcastle roots. Not to silly lengths, but I always felt he had a lot of work to do to win us round. But, the main reason he got the chop was ultimately poor results. The turning point, was when we were doing very nicely in the league and Newcastle were struggling and we played them on Halloween 2010. They beat us 5-1 and our big players (Jordan Henderson, Danny Welbeck) bottled it completely. We started to slide, and the axe was wielded.

We had a great team back then. Darren Bent was on fire, Steed Malbranque oozed class, Henderson was putting in great performances, Zenden was scoring volleys! We lost Henderson and Bent and replaced them with Gardner and Vaughan. We took the cheap option, we regressed as a club and the rest is history.

I know what you mean about Liverpool always seeming to have the edge. I remember them winning 1-0 at your place last season when they scored in injury time, think Sane got the goal. Needless to say, I always want you to beat them. I really don't like Liverpool as a club. When I've watched him against them recently it's now a mental problem, it's like you can't break the cycle. You're expecting to lose and seem obsessed wirh stopping them and defending, rather thsn focus on your own game. Even Barkley, goes missing v Liverpool. You miss the likes of Cahill, Ferguson, Arteta, Hibbert who knew how to handle the occasion and give them a right old battle. Hopefully, you'll end your voodoo v them this year.

They're really not all that good. Defensively, they're there for the taking. That must be the most frustrating thing for you. It's not like there a class above you, they just seem to always have the mental edge against you after you haven't beat them for so long.

It'll end, once you get that monkey off your back It wouldn't surprise me if you went on to beat them 2 & 3 times off the belt.

 

[1874]

Ironically, Steve Bruce is a Geordie and he took us to our highest ever finish in our latest Premiership stint. As petty as it sounds, Sunderland fans found it hard to back him having Newcastle roots. Not to silly lengths, but I always felt he had a lot of work to do to win us round. But, the main reason he got the chop was ultimately poor results. The turning point, was when we were doing very nicely in the league and Newcastle were struggling and we played them on Halloween 2010. They beat us 5-1 and our big players (Jordan Henderson, Danny Welbeck) bottled it completely. We started to slide, and the axe was wielded.

We had a great team back then. Darren Bent was on fire, Steed Malbranque oozed class, Henderson was putting in great performances, Zenden was scoring volleys! We lost Henderson and Bent and replaced them with Gardner and Vaughan. We took the cheap option, we regressed as a club and the rest is history.

I know what you mean about Liverpool always seeming to have the edge. I remember them winning 1-0 at your place last season when they scored in injury time, think Sane got the goal. Needless to say, I always want you to beat them. I really don't like Liverpool as a club. When I've watched him against them recently it's now a mental problem, it's like you can't break the cycle. You're expecting to lose and seem obsessed wirh stopping them and defending, rather thsn focus on your own game. Even Barkley, goes missing v Liverpool. You miss the likes of Cahill, Ferguson, Arteta, Hibbert who knew how to handle the occasion and give them a right old battle. Hopefully, you'll end your voodoo v them this year.

They're really not all that good. Defensively, they're there for the taking. That must be the most frustrating thing for you. It's not like there a class above you, they just seem to always have the mental edge against you after you haven't beat them for so long.

It'll end, once you get that monkey off your back It wouldn't surprise me if you went on to beat them 2 & 3 times off the belt.

Because of his blues roots and his style of football, our fans are struggling with him. To be fair, it's not so much his connections to the blue half of the city, it's his style of play and his whole outlook on some games.

 

[jaycee]

If I was Sunderland I would stop reminising about,Reid,FSA,Keane etc and look for an upcoming manager,get behind him and accept that there will be a few low points,get off the manager merry go round
I doubt they will stay up even though theres a couple of teams that look poorer on paper,the players there now are spineless and disinterested

 

[EFC78]

Ironically, Steve Bruce is a Geordie and he took us to our highest ever finish in our latest Premiership stint. As petty as it sounds, Sunderland fans found it hard to back him having Newcastle roots. Not to silly lengths, but I always felt he had a lot of work to do to win us round. But, the main reason he got the chop was ultimately poor results. The turning point, was when we were doing very nicely in the league and Newcastle were struggling and we played them on Halloween 2010. They beat us 5-1 and our big players (Jordan Henderson, Danny Welbeck) bottled it completely. We started to slide, and the axe was wielded.

We had a great team back then. Darren Bent was on fire, Steed Malbranque oozed class, Henderson was putting in great performances, Zenden was scoring volleys! We lost Henderson and Bent and replaced them with Gardner and Vaughan. We took the cheap option, we regressed as a club and the rest is history.

I know what you mean about Liverpool always seeming to have the edge. I remember them winning 1-0 at your place last season when they scored in injury time, think Sane got the goal. Needless to say, I always want you to beat them. I really don't like Liverpool as a club. When I've watched him against them recently it's now a mental problem, it's like you can't break the cycle. You're expecting to lose and seem obsessed wirh stopping them and defending, rather thsn focus on your own game. Even Barkley, goes missing v Liverpool. You miss the likes of Cahill, Ferguson, Arteta, Hibbert who knew how to handle the occasion and give them a right old battle. Hopefully, you'll end your voodoo v them this year.

They're really not all that good. Defensively, they're there for the taking. That must be the most frustrating thing for you. It's not like there a class above you, they just seem to always have the mental edge against you after you haven't beat them for so long.

It'll end, once you get that monkey off your back It wouldn't surprise me if you went on to beat them 2 & 3 times off the belt.

Can see the reasoning behind the dislike for Bruce if your fans never took to him because of that then. I remember when you had Bent and Jones up front, they seemed to do well for you and I always rated Malbranque. Often looked like a player who could have done a good job here a bit like Pienaar did.

Think you're right on it being a mental problem. But even other teams who are better than them go to Anfield and crumble quite often like we do. The only club who seem to have got the better of them quite often is Chelsea. Man City's last league win at Anfield was in 2003 for example and Arsenal have been hammered quite often there like we have 5-1 in 13-14, 4-0 this season so it is a tough place to go. What bothers me is more the mentality from our players compared to theirs right from the kick off. Theirs seem up for the occasion and get right in to it whereas ours look like Rabbits caught in the headlights. We don't even get stuck in enough with 50/50's but our players would have to get near theirs for that which they seem incapable of doing!