The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[hullefc]

I think you're getting confused. The Airedale trial was not provided by Babylon, it was a tele-health project. Babylon are a tele-health provider.

An interesting piece from Brunel's Terry Young



http://theconversation.com/aande-cr...-systems-level-could-drive-a-better-nhs-36153

That is hilarious. Supermarkets problems can solve NHS problems. You just couldn't make it up. And people believe this bull. Incredible.

" But most people in cities dine in and out rather well. Supermarkets haven’t built larger warehouses next to their stores in order to cope with fewer deliveries – rather they have done the opposite and eliminated most of the in-store storage space", from Brunel's Terry Young. Whatever that means in relation to the NHS, hospitals, ill people, operations, after care etc. He certainly has attempted to think out of the box, don't know which box though.

How about thinking inside the box and attempt to analysis what is causing the NHS crisis. That way then it may be able to be solved. Not enough nurses, not enough doctors, not enough consultants (who moonlight for the private sector and 'neglect' their NHS patients). Consultants earn a small fortune working for the private sector, operating on patients they have diagnosed as an NHS consultant. Consultants earn small fortunes but do not get penalised, or disciplined, unless there is a complaint, when they cancel operations so they can go with their mates to play golf in Spain. 'Building larger warehouses away from stores' has nothing to do with the real world NHS crisis.

Regarding the Airedale trial. At £7.99 a person to be seen on screen, provided by a tele-health provider, like Babylon, by a clinician not a doctor. Unbelievable. The elderly have paid their taxes and national insurance contributions and are paying to be in care, and then are charged £7.99 per month for the privilege of not seeing a doctor. The person in the home is 'helped' to diagnose what is wrong with the person looked after whilst the consultant/clinician/doctor is looking on a screen.

Reminds me of the consultant I had for my nasal polyps operation 3 years ago. Who instead of examining me a month after the operation, something I was assured would happen, he phoned me up and asked 'how are you'. 'I'm OK but I will charge you £50 per hour to tell you how to do your job". He never did get the barbed comment. Too 'busy' to make an appointment and see his patient, easier to phone. And I was supposed to self diagnose (no pun intended) if I was doing 'ok'. Never did receive any money for the diagnosis.

Further health insurance is on the way and when TTIP becomes law it will so widespread that those who can't afford it will have to rely on charitable doctor to diagnose what is up with them. Like happens in the US. But it doesn't matter what is diagnosed if you don't have the money then no operation.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm not sure I can really counter this logic, but I will repeat (for the 3rd time I think), that the trial conducted at Airedale NHS Trust was not done using Babylon and nor were any of the patients in the trial charged to talk to a professional via the video link up.

Babylon are an example of a provider offering a similar service (of which there are many - including TPP who actually did provide the service for the NHS trial - http://www.tpp-uk.com/modules/). I mentioned Babylon as an example of how something quite useful (as shown by the results) would be often dismissed because of who was providing it rather than the actual service. That is wrong and lessons should be taken from wherever they can be found.

If you think there are no lessons the NHS can learn about logistics and so on then I can't really argue about that. Of course, I can't force you to do so, but it might interest you to read this from the NHS Improving Quality team on the use of lean (taken from the car industry) in healthcare - http://www.nhsiq.nhs.uk/resource-search/publications/nhs-imp-lean.aspx

It's not brain surgery, y'know

 

[Bruce Wayne]

One up your street here. A Belgian company have taken airbag technology from cars and created a device to protect the hips of the elderly should they fall.

http://wolkcompany.com/

 

[Clint Planet]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/13/conservatives-lost-voters-trust-nhs-poll

I'm assuming the 15% who think the NHS has got better under the Tories are on crystal meth.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/13/conservatives-lost-voters-trust-nhs-poll

I'm assuming the 15% who think the NHS has got better under the Tories are on crystal meth.

To be expected really. I dare say most of us could have guessed at those results even without Ashcroft's survey. I mean was it any different before the last election?

 

[hullefc]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/13/conservatives-lost-voters-trust-nhs-poll

I'm assuming the 15% who think the NHS has got better under the Tories are on crystal meth.

Oh dear. The article doesn't fit in well with the Tories further privatised health care. The Tories mantra that it is only private that is good and all public is bad, spouted by many a crank, is being exposed for the imbecility it is. And when TTIP becomes law, and the ethos of the post 1945 agreement is finally smashed, the Tories will have their final dream of turning part of the state back to pre-1948 levels fondly promoted by Osbourne. By then it will be too late and the health nightmare will be all to open to see.

There has been a 1 million signed petition against TTIP, and it was only yesterday that the Tory state controlled BBC, decided to have a programme about it on Radio 2. No wonder caller after caller were questioning what a free press means. Free to publish, promote and allow an airing to what it 'wants' the public to hear, and 'free' to not publish and give an airing to things it doesn't like.

No different to any debate about the further privatisation of the health service. And any debate would have to involve how many MPs, and their family and friends, have a vested interest in the health sector. But the BBC's self censorship about this is all to evident. When will I not have to pay the BBC tax so I can 'spend my money as I see fit', the soundbite so loved by Tories and their cranky apologists.

 

[hullefc]

The TTIP trade deal will throw equality before the law on the corporate bonfire

The Tories are leading the UK into the hands of the big corporations that will lead to economic ruin and misery for the vast majority of the population.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The full text is here if you want to read it rather than relying on a noted tub-thumper like Monbiot.

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1230

Quote away. There's a dedicated one on public procurement if you wanted it http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2015/january/tradoc_153000.3 Public Procurement.pdf

 

[hullefc]

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2015/january/tradoc_153000.3 Public Procurement.pdf

"Sensitive or controversial issues
We're not currently aware of any issues which
are especially sensitive or where people have
raised specific concerns.
We want to open up public tendering markets
on the basis of rules on transparency and nondiscrimination
similar to those that apply under
EU law.

TTIP will not affect public authorities’
• ability to choose to outsource a public
service or produce it in-house".

And the tub-thumpering Tories , private good, public bad, will always allow outsourcing of all public services, and particularly health, to turn them into cash cows for Tory MPs, families and friends. The NHS has been outsourced and will be further outsourced to enable public money to be put into the hands of private health companies. And particularly US health companies, who are wetting themselves with excitement, at getting their grubby hands on the £130 billion health budget. Then introduce compulsory health insurance so as to be able to pay when seeing a doctor. As will happen when tele-health becomes the norm for those looked after in care homes.

Edit. "
"Sensitive or controversial issues
We're not currently aware of any issues which
are especially sensitive or where people have
raised specific concerns".

As usual the voice of those that signed petitions are ingored.

As Monbiot points out Guardian Tuesday 13 January 2015 20.46 GMT

"Already two petitions have gathered 2.5m signatures between them".

 

[Bruce Wayne]

ability to choose to outsource a public service or produce it in-house

So they can choose to do so if they want, or they can choose to keep it in house. Wow.

 

[hullefc]

The EU document iTTIP and public services contradicts itself spectacularly .Factsheet on Public Procurement.

'National treatment' and 'market access'- for publicly-funded healthcare and social services, education or water services, EU governments don't have to treat companies or individuals from outside the EU the same as those from within Europe and do not have to provide access to their markets. Instead, governments can:

• favour European firms over foreign ones
• prevent foreign firms from providing, or investing in, these services
• reverse at a later date any decision to allow foreign firms to provide, or invest in, a particular service".

TTIP and public services document says that EU governments 'do not have to provide access to their markets' to companies or individuals outside the EU.

But wants the US to open up its public market to EU companies and individuals.

Factsheet on Public Procurement

In this chapter, we want to enable EU
firms to:
• bid for a larger share of the
products and services which US
public authorities buy
• compete with US firms on the
same grounds.

And the tub-thumping greedy Tories, can't wait to further expand the privatisation of public services, in particular the £130 billion NHS tax payers budget.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[hullefc]

You really have to laugh at George he really is a trier.

Osborne: UK can be world's richest major country

When the UK economy slips further down the tubes, he can always blame it on 'outside influences beyond our control'. No wait that was Labour's excuse in 2008, that Dave and George ridiculed.

 

[L4Everton]

If done just right, this could be ruddy marvellous...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-30819779

 

[roydo]

Cant really believe that. Would be funny as hell if it happened.