The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[Seanjd]

Hope Ed asks where his Dad's cash is held on Question Time tonight, watch him wriggle his way out of that one the Fraud.

It's not a debate, so I don't think they will be asking each other questions.

 

[roydo]

Hope Ed asks where his Dad's cash is held on Question Time tonight, watch him wriggle his way out of that one the Fraud.

Unless Ed is in the audience, that wont happen.

But if you honestly think that using a legal way to minimise tax is so awful, you obviously feel the same about Miliband senior as well then?

See, I am consistent on this. You seem to choose your folk to be outraged about.

 

[Tubey]

I'm not judging Cameron on it. What I will judge him on though is whether he'll criticise his parents for doing it. After all, he said it's "morally wrong", didn't he?

So I'd like to see him stick by his own words and admit what his family did was wrong, if asked. I actually think he will, within limits (not asking him to publicly slaughter his dead dad, but you can still acknowledge it was a mistake).

What I will say though is that I don't believe a single word Cameron says about being tough on this issue. If you could build from the ground up a politician who would turn a blind eye to it, it'd be Call Me Dave.

 

[Tubey]

Unless Ed is in the audience, that wont happen.

But if you honestly think that using a legal way to minimise tax is so awful, you obviously feel the same about Miliband senior as well then?

See, I am consistent on this. You seem to choose your folk to be outraged about.

David Cameron does. Well, he said he does. "Morally wrong" and "we all suffer" when people and companies do it.

 

[SNova]

I'm not judging Cameron on it. What I will judge him on though is whether he'll criticise his parents for doing it. After all, he said it's "morally wrong", didn't he?

So I'd like to see him stick by his own words and admit what his family did was wrong, if asked. I actually think he will, within limits (not asking him to publicly slaughter his dead dad, but you can still acknowledge it was a mistake).

What I will say though is that I don't believe a single word Cameron says about being tough on this issue. If you could build from the ground up a politician who would turn a blind eye to it, it'd be Call Me Dave.

I know they all lie, but Cameron so two faced it is unreal. When the Scots were having a referendum he campaigned for them to stay a part of the UK, but let's be honest he would have loved for them to leave (look at the SNP situation now).

 

[roydo]

I'm not judging Cameron on it. What I will judge him on though is whether he'll criticise his parents for doing it. After all, he said it's "morally wrong", didn't he?

So I'd like to see him stick by his own words and admit what his family did was wrong, if asked. I actually think he will, within limits (not asking him to publicly slaughter his dead dad, but you can still acknowledge it was a mistake).

What I will say though is that I don't believe a single word Cameron says about being tough on this issue. If you could build from the ground up a politician who would turn a blind eye to it, it'd be Call Me Dave.

I would be astonished if he wasnt asked about it. And it will be uncomfortable for him.

But if he is asked about it, then the same should be asked of Ed.

But neither should be imo. *see above*

Now their own tax arrangements are a different matter. And I would be pretty confident both are efficient and legal.

 

[Jxg]

I know exactly what the reporter was saying and it is completely irrelevant, it's some kind of strange reverse snobbery that you seem to think only the poor and hard done by can voice an opinion, those who have done well for themselves should keep quiet, unless they disturb the world order, well fortunately not everyone holds the same selfish values as the conservative party, in fact socialist movements where often started by the well off, believe it or not some people just want to see a fairer world, do you think the fabian society was a working class movement only, your argument makes no sense at all

Socialist movements were started by the well off, you say?

Just like Marxism was designed by a man who had never worked a day in his life. A man who got all his money from family and one very foolish friend is respected, by many, as one with an unrivalled opinion on economics.

Just like Miliband has never worked a non-political job for a day in his life. His public school education and Oxford-Harvard university fees were paid for by the millionaire champagne marxist that is his father. He went through life intending to go into politics.

Look, I'm of the view that if you haven't worked a working-class job, you shouldn't be attempting to speak for the people that do. I would love for there to be a true left party but they're all run by the elite, appearing to care and asking for change, but only as long as it doesn't affect them! Brand falls under this category like a lock and key. The reporter did well to speak what everyone was thinking and Brand had no logical response, other than to raise his tone, step up close to him and talk down to him.

 

[Tubey]

I would be astonished if he wasnt asked about it. And it will be uncomfortable for him.

But if he is asked about it, then the same should be asked of Ed.

But neither should be imo. *see above*

Now their own tax arrangements are a different matter. And I would be pretty confident both are efficient and legal.

They are both beneficiaries of a cash legacy from the activity and, whilst there is no doubt that they are legal, they should acknowledge they received the cash as a result of their parents being "morally wrong". If either don't, then they are absolute hypocrites.

The reason Cameron will get more attention here as he is the guy who everyone suspects would be quite happy for the status quo to continue, if it were politically possible to say so.

Remember his fox hunting question response on Marr lately? He couldn't admit it was his "favourite sport" despite saying so in the past, because it's unpopular. If he had the chance, he'd repeal the fox hunting ban in a heartbeat, yet he won't stand by his principles, because he's a political coward.

 

[roydo]

David Cameron does. Well, he said he does. "Morally wrong" and "we all suffer" when people and companies do it.

At risk of repeating myself, again, I said that to judge anyone on the tax affairs of their dead parent(s) is a dangerous path to tread.

But on the wider issue of avoidance, HMRC and the powers they now have to pursue legal but aggressive tax avoidance, have never been more, er, powerful.

Attacking schemes most of which were established under the stewardship of G Brown.

Hypocrisy, is speaks your name. (Not yours personally mate, just a general point)

 

[Jib in lad]

Read what I said mate. Not what you think I said.

But to paraphrase, it is a dangerous path to judge anyone on the legal tax affairs of their (dead) parent.

I refer you back to my original post on the matter.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[Tubey]

Socialist movements were started by the well off, you say?

Just like Marxism was designed by a man who had never worked a day in his life. A man who got all his money from family and one very foolish friend is respected, by many, as one with an unrivalled opinion on economics.

Just like Miliband has never worked a non-political job for a day in his life. His public school education and Oxford-Harvard university fees were paid for by the millionaire champagne marxist that is his father. He went through life intending to go into politics.

Look, I'm of the view that if you haven't worked a working-class job, you shouldn't be attempting to speak for the people that do. I would love for there to be a true left party but they're all run by the elite, appearing to care and asking for change, but only as long as it doesn't affect them! Brand falls under this category like a lock and key. The reporter did well to speak what everyone was thinking and Brand had no logical response, other than to raise his tone, step up close to him and talk down to him.

Not one of the leaders can claim to have even a passing qualification in being able to speak about the lower classes. Hell, even an inkling of knowledge about the middle classes is a stretch. None of them could tell you the price of a loaf of bread right now if asked.

The idea of Farage being a "man of the people" is one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

Unless Ed is in the audience, that wont happen.

But if you honestly think that using a legal way to minimise tax is so awful, you obviously feel the same about Miliband senior as well then?

See, I am consistent on this. You seem to choose your folk to be outraged about.

Come on, surely you can see the hypocrisy in it, he bangs on about Tax avoidance being wrong and they are going to clamp down on it.

Yet in 2011 his Dads assets were put into a scheme 6 months after he'd died, assets that will eventually end up in his pocket.

He's an out and out fraud at everything he says and does, please god lets have him out next week.

 

[roydo]

Remember his fox hunting question response on Marr lately? He couldn't admit it was his "favourite sport" despite saying so in the past, because it's unpopular. If he had the chance, he'd repeal the fox hunting ban in a heartbeat, yet he won't stand by his principles, because he's a political coward.

I actually agree with that mate. To a degree.

But then I disagreed with the fox hunting ban as well. Nowt to do with the sport of it, just down here, most who did it are working class agricultural folk who were helping farms out. And could earn a few bob in the process as well.

But perhaps not a relevant discussion this election!

 

[The Esk]

public school education

Erm, which Public Schools did Ed Miliband attend?

 

[roydo]

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Oh sure. It is a fascinating campaign for sure. Been sound on here as well.