The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%

  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%

  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%

  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%

  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%
  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
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Jxg said:
We were talking about whether I had or hadn't contradicted myself and also about Labour. As his points were factually incorrect, he hasn't replied. All of my subsequent answers disprove every statement he has made.
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No, your answers tried to shoehorn the anti-libertarian parts of UKIPs beliefs into the libertarian ideology but didn't really manage it.

Libertarianism is a crap ideology anyway. It ignores the "negative" freedoms such as freedom from poverty, freedom from exploitation etc. Boiled down, it is the belief that the only role of government should be "just enough to protect me from my slaves".
 
Clint Planet said:
Are you really so desperate that you'll resort to highlighting typos? Dear oh dear.
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Clint, play nicely. I was simply having a gentle dig at you in a manner very similar to the PM you sent me the other week about my grammar. I know full well that it was a simple typo, and I know full well you're an educated chap who is always worth listening to, even if we don't always (ever?) agree.

The rest of the post clearly demonstrates that we have a proper point to debate here - allegations of desperation aren't really going to be taken seriously by either of us, are they?
 
Jxg said:
It's a simple way of saying "if you honestly care this strongly about the situation then you should be doing your utmost to help, otherwise you're no better than a Champagne Socialist". It isn't a direct attack at your persona.
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I don't accept that argument. Just because one feels the goverment isn't doing enough for the poor and vulnerable in society, it doesn't mean you have to give all your money away. And although it isn't directly ad hominem, it suggests hypocrisy that isn't necessarily there (since you actually have no idea what the person you're attacking actually does or doesn't do) and is rather disingenuous and unedifying.


You'd do well to have a look at this triangle. You're currently at DH3.
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I'm not, mate.
 
Tree13 said:
Parents is a plural. No need for the apostrophe. ;)

The underlying supposition in my post is ACTUALLY the belief that all parents SHOULD make an informed choice about having children, rather than simply having them and then expecting others to pick up the bill. I said nothing about whether or not those parents have had "fair crack of the whip", because I don't believe it is particularly relevant. The role the government has to play in a child's life is NOT greater than the role the parents should play - that doesn't ignore the government's role at all, it merely places it in a context that you don't agree with.
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I see, so if a quarter of the UK's children are living in poverty that is because poor people chose to have children is it?

And furthermore, on witnessing this poverty our Government should take a leaf out of your book and just say "tough - it was your own choice"?

By the way, what choice does the child have in all of this?
 

Blue 1 said:
No, your answers tried to shoehorn the anti-libertarian parts of UKIPs beliefs into the libertarian ideology but didn't really manage it.
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What on earth are you on about? His answers clearly demonstrated several UKIP policies to be Libertarian.

This doesn't make UKIP a defacto Libertarian party, but you're simply sticking your head in the sand with regards to the points made, and the evidence backing them up, in this thread.
 
Tree13 said:
Clint, play nicely. I was simply having a gentle dig at you in a manner very similar to the PM you sent me the other week about my grammar. I know full well that it was a simple typo, and I know full well you're an educated chap who is always worth listening to, even if we don't always (ever?) agree.
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What PM was that, mate? I don't remember sending it and I can't find it in my outbox.
 
Tree13 said:
What on earth are you on about? His answers clearly demonstrated several UKIP policies to be Libertarian.

This doesn't make UKIP a defacto Libertarian party, but you're simply sticking your head in the sand with regards to the points made, and the evidence backing them up, in this thread.
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He tried to argue that putting a cap on EU immigration is libertarian because it would put all immigration on a level playing field, when actually any immigration cap is anti-libertarian.

He tried to argue that UKIPs support for a monculture is libertarian, which it clearly isn't, and he didn't even really give a reason.

And he justified UKIP support for the NHS on the grounds that "well, there are always exceptions", but this is a pretty effin' big one for a party that professes to be libertarian.
 

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