The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[Clint Planet]

The people responsible, first and foremost, for any child's living conditions are that child's parents.

Simplistic claptrap. For a start, there is an underlying supposition in your argument that all parent's get a fair crack of the whip which, of course, they don't. It also conveniently ignores the fact that in reality government has a very important role to play in any child's life.

And don't bother with the compassion angle unless you donated half your salary this month to Amnesty International.

Yawn. Is this from the UKIP Handbook or something?

 

[Clint Planet]

What you're describing is known as a utopia and is impossible to achieve due to the differing political views of people. The only possible way to reach such a situation is through the mass indoctrination of the young in school and there are only certain disgusting regimes that do that (Fascist Italy, the USSR, Communist China and the NSDAP).

Rubbish. There is nothing wrong with aiming to give every child an equal chance in life. We might fail, but by trying we will make a difference.

 

[Jxg]

He's told you why UKIP aren't a libertarian party, which is what I also told you. None of your subsequent answers hold water

We were talking about whether I had or hadn't contradicted myself and also about Labour. As his points were factually incorrect, he hasn't replied. All of my subsequent answers disprove every statement he has made.

 

[Jxg]

Simplistic claptrap. For a start, there is an underlying supposition in your argument that all parent's get a fair crack of the whip which, of course, they don't. It also conveniently ignores the fact that in reality government has a very important role to play in any child's life.



Yawn. Is this from the UKIP Handbook or something?

ad hominem
ad ˈhɒmɪnɛm/
adverb & adjective

1. 1.
   (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
   "an ad hominem response"

Please refrain from doing this. There's a thin line on political discussion here and I don't want this thread to be shut down because people start a slinging match.

 

[Jxg]

Rubbish. There is nothing wrong with aiming to give every child an equal chance in life. We might fail, but by trying we will make a difference.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. You're building a nice little straw man fallacy there.

I said that it is not possible to achieve without the use of unsavoury methods in order to get the entire public to buy into the idea from a young age.

 

[Clint Planet]

ad hominem
ad ˈhɒmɪnɛm/
adverb & adjective

1. 1.
   (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
   "an ad hominem response"

Yes, yes, very good. I'll leave others to judge whether "Shut it if you don't give loads to Amnesty" every month is an edifying response.

[and yes, I confess, I only give a tenner to Amnesty International every month, not that it's any of your business, of course]

 

[Clint Planet]

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. You're building a nice little straw man fallacy there.

I said that it is not possible to achieve without the use of unsavoury methods in order to get the entire public to buy into the idea from a young age.

Which, again, is claptrap.

 

[Tree13]

Simplistic claptrap. For a start, there is an underlying supposition in your argument that all parent's get a fair crack of the whip which, of course, they don't. It also conveniently ignores the fact that in reality government has a very important role to play in any child's life.

Parents is a plural. No need for the apostrophe.

The underlying supposition in my post is ACTUALLY the belief that all parents SHOULD make an informed choice about having children, rather than simply having them and then expecting others to pick up the bill. I said nothing about whether or not those parents have had "fair crack of the whip", because I don't believe it is particularly relevant. The role the government has to play in a child's life is NOT greater than the role the parents should play - that doesn't ignore the government's role at all, it merely places it in a context that you don't agree with.

Yawn. Is this from the UKIP Handbook or something?

Coming from someone who very much toes the NUT line whenever the discussion touches on private education, I find this comment a little ironic. As the previous poster pointed out, if compassion for others is so important to you that anyone who doesn't share your views must be lambasted, then why don't you do something compassionate yourself, rather than demanding the government do it for you?

 

[Jxg]

Yes, yes, very good. I'll leave others to judge whether "Shut it if you don't give loads to Amnesty" every month is an edifying response.

[and yes, I confess, I only give a tenner to Amnesty International every month, not that it's any of your business, of course]

It's a simple way of saying "if you honestly care this strongly about the situation then you should be doing your utmost to help, otherwise you're no better than a Champagne Socialist". It isn't a direct attack at your persona.

Which, again, is claptrap.

You'd do well to have a look at this triangle. You're currently at DH3.

 

[Clint Planet]

Parents is a plural. No need for the apostrophe.

Are you really so desperate that you'll resort to highlighting typos? Dear oh dear.

 

[bluemangroup]

Let's all just be friends and put aside political differences yeah lads? Sound.

 

[Jxg]

Are you really so desperate that you'll resort to highlighting typos? Dear oh dear.

Similarly, are you really so desperate that you can only highlight his correction of your grammar, blanking the actual rebuttal?

 

[Jxg]

Let's all just be friends and put aside political differences yeah lads? Sound.

Sure. I guess it is starting to get over the top. I'll stop.

 

[bluemangroup]

Sure. I guess it is starting to get over the top. I'll stop.

We will just say you are wrong, Clint is right and leave it there. It's for the best.

 

[Clint Planet]

Similarly, are you really so desperate that you can only highlight his correction of your grammar, blanking the actual rebuttal?

I'll get to it in time, mate. Make yourself a cup of tea. I just have.