The Ashes 2023

[moggeridge]

The Ashes 2023: Ollie Pope out for rest of summer with shoulder injury

England batter Ollie Pope is ruled out of the rest of the Ashes series with a dislocated shoulder sustained in the second Test defeat at Lord's.

www.bbc.com

move bairstow up and give the gloves to foakes?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

K

move bairstow up and give the gloves to foakes?

thats what I would say as well or an all rounder. Looks like they’ll bring in Lawrence who bowls a bit off spin.

 

[ToffeeTim]

move bairstow up and give the gloves to foakes?

That's what I would do

You can't have an extremely long tail against Australia so whatever they decide, they need Moeen or Woakes at 8

 

[moggeridge]

K

thats what I would say as well or an all rounder. Looks like they’ll bring in Lawrence who bowls a bit off spin.

That's what I would do

You can't have an extremely long tail against Australia so whatever they decide, they need Moeen or Woakes at 8

I knew as soon as I typed it, why am I suggesting the sensible, rational move? Bazball will be who can score quickest and be most exciting to watch...

 

[ToffeeTim]

Wouldn't actually be shocked if they replaced him with Woakes and moved everyone up a place.

Crawley
Duckett
Root
Brook
Stokes
Bairstow
Moeen
Woakes
Wood
Broad
Tongue

Don't like it tbh... Moeen and Woakes are both 8s in test cricket, 7 is too high.

 

[slipstream86]

This is an interesting one:

Law 27 - Appeals

7. Batsman leaving his wicket under a misapprehension

An umpire shall intervene if satisfied that a batsman, not having been given out, has left his wicket under a misapprehension that he is out. The umpire intervening shall call and signal Dead ball to prevent any further action by the fielding side and shall recall the batsman.

Now clearly this doesn't apply in the case of Bairstow, since he had no cause to believe he was out prior to leaving his ground - but I just wonder where the rationale for this law comes from? The only scenario I can imagine is a batter edging behind, initially taken by the wicket keeper, batman then leaves his ground believing he is out, only then for the wicket keeper to fail to complete the catch, then collecting the spilled ball and stumping the batsman who was already walking out of his ground..

Bairstow did leave his ground under a misapprehension, however his misapprehension was that the ball was dead. Why is a misapprehension of being out protected by law but not a misapprehension of the ball being dead? It could be argued that there is scope for amendment to the law here. I personally think that a batsman should only be given out leaving his ground when either in the action of attempting to play the ball, or attempting a run.

 

[Walken]

Another injury for England and one they could have done without, 3 has been a problem position before Pope settled there.

If Bairstow moves to 3 where he may be less effective and Foakes comes in at 7 we definitely need an 8 who can get runs.

 

[Walken]

Wouldn't actually be shocked if they replaced him with Woakes and moved everyone up a place.

Crawley
Duckett
Root
Brook
Stokes
Bairstow
Moeen
Woakes
Wood
Broad
Tongue

Don't like it tbh... Moeen and Woakes are both 8s in test cricket, 7 is too high.

I guess some of that might depend on Stokes knee, if he's really struggling its not the worst idea.

 

[degsy]

if the keeper had fumbled it and the non striker called him through for a run he would have taken it, there wouldn't have been any 'but i thought the ball was dead' crap, this is such a non story

This.
Some you get away with, some you don't - he didn't.

Stupid English play in both tests helped to lose them both - not 1 wicket

Similarly...
You don't get relegated because you lost you last game of the season.
You get relegated because you messed up the previous 37 games / chances for 3 pts.

 

[Milk]

 

[Tramps_mate]

Everything that you'd expect to happen for the end of the over had happenned.

Final delivery, ball with the wicket keeper, fielded cleanly, no attempt at a single, batsman scratched his mark in the crease.

I know.. I thought the same, but I guess if you take your chances they can pay off!

I think people calling it cheating in the press is a bit strong. Its a bit unsporting but its certainly not against the rules.

As mentioned above, its always England (and Everton!)....

 

[Tramps_mate]

highlighted the assumptions made by the batter - cos he had no idea if these had actually occurred

Exactly, he never checked. He just presumed. The ball could have gone lose from Carey or anything. but he never even looked!

 

[ToffeeTim]

I know.. I thought the same, but I guess if you take your chances they can pay off!

I think people calling it cheating in the press is a bit strong. Its a bit unsporting but its certainly not against the rules.

As mentioned above, its always England (and Everton!)....

It's not cheating

But it is rubbish sportsmanship for me

 

[ToffeeTim]

Exactly, he never checked. He just presumed. The ball could have gone lose from Carey or anything. but he never even looked!

In fairness it's not that normal to look back at that level and you can go a whole day without a bye. Stokes would have called him immediately for a run if there had been a misfield. Old unwritten rule is that behind square is the non strikers call

 

[Tommy Chong]

The Ashes 2023: Ollie Pope out for rest of summer with shoulder injury

England batter Ollie Pope is ruled out of the rest of the Ashes series with a dislocated shoulder sustained in the second Test defeat at Lord's.

www.bbc.com

Ouch! So we'll have to wait awhile before they determine his replacement?

I mean it's Pope, right? How does it work? All the cardinals have to meet in Rome, have a secret ballot to determine his successor, then when they're finally in agreement, they have to burn all the ballots... So we'll only know when we see a puff of white smoke rising above the Vatican?!

What a pain in the arse...

I know, I know.... Piss poor joke, but I couldn't resist!