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The Ashes 2023

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if the keeper had fumbled it and the non striker called him through for a run he would have taken it, there wouldn't have been any 'but i thought the ball was dead' crap, this is such a non story

But that didn't happen and they didn't run

When the ball is fielded cleanly by a keeper, the ball is always assumed dead unless it's one of those weird scenarios at the end of an innings where they try to run a bye
 
so we're in agreement the ball was still in play then
Yes because the umpire did not call over. But I believe they should have called over, because the ball had been fielded and no run was being attempted.

But it opens up a lot ambiguity over when the ball is dead during the over, because it's only 1 out of every 6 when the umpires signals its dead by calling over. What about every other ball.

It's both sloppy by Bairstow, and beyond the boundaries of what I see as fair in cricket. I think both can be true and both are true.
 

The umpire should have called over in the 0.8 seconds that the keeper had the ball?!?!?

if its fair for the batting team to score a run then its fair for the fielding team to take a wicket, honestly where is the controversy in this? All he had to do was pay attention and wait for the keeper to pass the ball off to another fielder
 
The umpire should have called over in the 0.8 seconds that the keeper had the ball?!?!?

if its fair for the batting team to score a run then its fair for the fielding team to take a wicket, honestly where is the controversy in this? All he had to do was pay attention and wait for the keeper to pass the ball off to another fielder
The keeper often won't throw the ball back to the other end at the end of an over, because the ball is already at the right side for the next delivery. In tests they would often just pass it to the slip and run off to the other end.
 
Yes because the umpire did not call over. But I believe they should have called over, because the ball had been fielded and no run was being attempted.

But it opens up a lot ambiguity over when the ball is dead during the over, because it's only 1 out of every 6 when the umpires signals its dead by calling over. What about every other ball.

It's both sloppy by Bairstow, and beyond the boundaries of what I see as fair in cricket. I think both can be true and both are true.
There wasn't time to call it. Carey threw the ball at the stumps pretty much straight away.
Bairstow could have at least looked over his shoulder to check everyone had finished the play..

I think Bairstow is 90% to blame. 10% on the cheekyness of the Aussies.
 
There wasn't time to call it. Carey threw the ball at the stumps pretty much straight away.
Bairstow could have at least looked over his shoulder to check everyone had finished the play..

I think Bairstow is 90% to blame. 10% on the cheekyness of the Aussies.
I agree. Might be unsportsman-like to do it, but it is in the rules so fair game. I'd ask why it's always England on the receiving end. Our sportsmen are dopes and born losers. Same with the football. They used to moan about diving and how they'd never do it. We've won nothing since 66.
 
There wasn't time to call it. Carey threw the ball at the stumps pretty much straight away.
Bairstow could have at least looked over his shoulder to check everyone had finished the play..

I think Bairstow is 90% to blame. 10% on the cheekyness of the Aussies.
Everything that you'd expect to happen for the end of the over had happenned.

Final delivery, ball with the wicket keeper, fielded cleanly, no attempt at a single, batsman scratched his mark in the crease.
 

Everything that you'd expect to happen for the end of the over had happenned.

Final delivery, ball with the wicket keeper, fielded cleanly, no attempt at a single, batsman scratched his mark in the crease.
highlighted the assumptions made by the batter - cos he had no idea if these had actually occurred
 

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