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bluemeanie
Player Valuation: £1m
It always comes down to this for me: what manager would want to come here to replace DM? With no investment on the horizon? Mick McCarthy? Neil Warnock? Mark Hughes? God help us.
Surely the true test of Moyes's abilities will come when he has a decent budget to play with. Whether that's here- not looking likely- or elsewhere (Spurs?), only then will people be able to say if he's one of the great managers.
Ok his negativity is a problem but to be envious of Wigan's style of play! FFS! I'm sure their fans would swap style, manager and league position with us in an instant.
What happened on Saturday is also to do with a decades old inferiority complex when it comes to our neighbours. They still turned us over in the 80s remember. I think EFC itself has had an underlying lack of confidence for a long long time. When you think a club like Newcastle for instance who've won [Poor language removed] all compared to us are seen by most people as having a much greater pedigree, you realise we were selling ourselves short well before BK turned up.
Of course I was infuriated and depressed at the weekend- still am really. I don't think David Moyes's is perfect for sure but IMO at the moment, under the financial situation, we're lucky to have him.
Surely the true test of Moyes's abilities will come when he has a decent budget to play with. Whether that's here- not looking likely- or elsewhere (Spurs?), only then will people be able to say if he's one of the great managers.
Ok his negativity is a problem but to be envious of Wigan's style of play! FFS! I'm sure their fans would swap style, manager and league position with us in an instant.
What happened on Saturday is also to do with a decades old inferiority complex when it comes to our neighbours. They still turned us over in the 80s remember. I think EFC itself has had an underlying lack of confidence for a long long time. When you think a club like Newcastle for instance who've won [Poor language removed] all compared to us are seen by most people as having a much greater pedigree, you realise we were selling ourselves short well before BK turned up.
Of course I was infuriated and depressed at the weekend- still am really. I don't think David Moyes's is perfect for sure but IMO at the moment, under the financial situation, we're lucky to have him.
Elong
The fire rises
BroWnZ with the answers.
When you think a club like Newcastle for instance who've won [Poor language removed] all compared to us are seen by most people as having a much greater pedigree, you realise we were selling ourselves short well before BK turned up.
Whilst agreeing that EFC has sold itself short for decades, I don't think there are many people who would regard the Barcodes as "having a much greater pedigree" than Everton, even on Tyneside.
That is almost as bizarre as saying we are "lucky" to have Moyes.
Whilst agreeing that EFC has sold itself short for decades, I don't think there are many people who would regard the Barcodes as "having a much greater pedigree" than Everton, even on Tyneside.
That is almost as bizarre as saying we are "lucky" to have Moyes.
onceabluealwaysablue
Player Valuation: £8m
Yawn zzzzzzzzzz close thread boring same old **** being discussed were lucky, were not, we want this, that and the other. Lets just face it we ain't going nowhere without investment and that doesn't look like coming so, we are as far along as we can go atm
bluemeanie
Player Valuation: £1m
Well with no cash to speak of mate, I think we are. Not bizarre at all- we're skint and he gets us in the top 8 pretty much every season. And as for my point about the barcodes and everton, we are crap at 'selling our brand' and teams like Newcastle regardless of relegation and lack of trophies etc clearly aren't. They will register more in the consciousness of your average person than EFC. This can't help in getting investment.
Mogwai
The Hiphopopotamus Rhymenoceros
Don't you know it takes 10 years, 2 fa cup finals embarrassments and 19 derby losses to adjust to a new club. Hence, my prediction is a dead cert...
Right my tuppence worth.....
Compare our record in the transfer market to teams that spend close to us and how their league form compares. Bolton, Villa, Fulham I would say spend the same if not more than us in recent years. I would not swap our squad for any of theirs.
Moyes picks players up more often than not on the cheap and turns them into better players. With the exception of Kroldrup and Bilya I think his record of buying and selling players measures up to anyone.
Now in recent years our expectations have increased due to the relative success in the Premier league under Moyes, we are no longer scrapping for relegation and due to Moyes finding players and developing them he has made sure he has had money to play with. Lescott bought for £5m and sold for £24m is a case in point. The players we then bought with that £24m- Heitinga and Distin are arguably both better than Lescott anyway.
So Bolton, they get in Owen Coyle who some have raved about- his brand of football looks nice and pretty but they are very much in a relegation fight, Martinez is exactly the same. Is that the pedigree we after- looks pretty and they may get the odd decent result but fundamentally they are always down in the basement?!
At times this season we have played some nice stuff- coincides with Pienaar and Ossie being in the same team- the best brand of football we played was with the midget gems of Arteta, Osman and Pienaar, some of those European nights at Goodison was magical. I think we can get that back but desperately need that creative force in the middle of the park- someone to play alongside Fellaini but can pick a pass and put their foot on the ball. They dont come cheap...
Im waffling a little but in a nut shell I think Moyes is a good manager and I dont think many would do as well as he does with the budget constraints he works under. I certainly dont think we would last long in the Premiership if Martinez took over with teh same budgets we have now.
Compare our record in the transfer market to teams that spend close to us and how their league form compares. Bolton, Villa, Fulham I would say spend the same if not more than us in recent years. I would not swap our squad for any of theirs.
Moyes picks players up more often than not on the cheap and turns them into better players. With the exception of Kroldrup and Bilya I think his record of buying and selling players measures up to anyone.
Now in recent years our expectations have increased due to the relative success in the Premier league under Moyes, we are no longer scrapping for relegation and due to Moyes finding players and developing them he has made sure he has had money to play with. Lescott bought for £5m and sold for £24m is a case in point. The players we then bought with that £24m- Heitinga and Distin are arguably both better than Lescott anyway.
So Bolton, they get in Owen Coyle who some have raved about- his brand of football looks nice and pretty but they are very much in a relegation fight, Martinez is exactly the same. Is that the pedigree we after- looks pretty and they may get the odd decent result but fundamentally they are always down in the basement?!
At times this season we have played some nice stuff- coincides with Pienaar and Ossie being in the same team- the best brand of football we played was with the midget gems of Arteta, Osman and Pienaar, some of those European nights at Goodison was magical. I think we can get that back but desperately need that creative force in the middle of the park- someone to play alongside Fellaini but can pick a pass and put their foot on the ball. They dont come cheap...
Im waffling a little but in a nut shell I think Moyes is a good manager and I dont think many would do as well as he does with the budget constraints he works under. I certainly dont think we would last long in the Premiership if Martinez took over with teh same budgets we have now.
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Xavi
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You weren't waffling at all mate, that is completely bang on the money, great post IMO
kenada_blue
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So overall...we are punching above our weight then?
You can't say "moyes is the only one that can do what he does with the funds given" and then say we don't punch above our weight.
Reason being is that you compare it to the over spenders that finish lower, so we shouldn't be where we are.
You can't say "moyes is the only one that can do what he does with the funds given" and then say we don't punch above our weight.
Reason being is that you compare it to the over spenders that finish lower, so we shouldn't be where we are.
Sticky this and put it on the front page.
Bit of a contradiction really. Bolton have a worse squad than we do because they can't attract better players with their league position, and they have a smaller fanbase than we do. Same goes for Wigan, who have been completely asset stripped over the last couple of seasons despite already having a much weaker squad than we do.
Martinez has done a stellar job keeping Wigan in the PL season after season when you look at the squad he has to work with, he's also beaten some of the top teams in the league, as well as Liverpool at Anfield, something which we can't seem to do.
Doesn't really mean anything.
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