The EU deal

[davmaher]

We don't need to be in the Eu to let qualified people come here to do work. In fact being in the EU tends to restrict bringing people in from Non Eu countries. Why should it be easier for someone from Romania or Slovakia to come to the UK to work rather than someone from the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand..........if we leave we can pick the best from wherever, maybe even the UK........

It's not qualified people we need, though. In the main we produce enough of these. The vast majority of immigrants coming here from Romania and Slovakia etc. are coming to work in minimum wage type jobs. I can't see many people from the USA, Canada, Australia or New Zealand coming over for those. I work in the food industry and that would be changed completely without immigrant - particularly Eastern European - labour. The majority of food manufacturing sites now have work-forces that are predominantly non-British. Without them the industry would collapse or prices would rise dramatically.

 

[magicjuan]

I've no issues with people moving between countries, but only if the migrants have skills that their new country requires (and they can speaka da lingo).

If either of these boxes remain un-ticked then it's a big no from me. (GTFO)

Strange really, because on the whole Brits don't bother learning another language, they expect everyone else to speak English, especially when a lot of them struggle with it themselves...

 

[roydo]

Alright, I just don't see what value or relevance that has. Yeah, Germany also has problems. So? We're in the UK. I guess I'm just misunderstanding what you were saying. No worries.

I was making the point that other countries in the EU also have problems, some EU/Euro based, some immigration based, which seems to be the most vocal issue in these discussions.

And sometimes it is worth looking at the wider picture, not just from a UK standpoint.

But as you say, no worries.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Maybe not, but not being called out for something I didnt say.

It's not what you didn't say - it's the way you didn't say it.

Going back to your reply to @edge 's post, he was on about the social impact (housing, wages, big issue sellers etc) of immigration. You replied to that post directly and, tbf mate, it appears you were saying other countries had those same problems - only worse.

They may well do; and for reasons like you said - geographical - From which I gather you mean their geographical position exacerbates the issues....I might be wrong though.

Although Germany has itself to blame for any arising issues in future...

But it's not about them countries.

 

[magicjuan]

Thats not what I said. I said several countries in Europe have issues with immigration that we do not have; due to their geography mainly.

That isnt promoting a "race to the bottom" which you alluded to me being in some way supportive of.

And for the record. I am part of the working class. 6 days a week, 7 till whenever I finish.

A lot of countries have much bigger issues, much bigger than here, and I believe a lot of that is down to the agenda of the press over here, they love to ramp up a good migrant story, but have no knnowledge wether that applies to other countries or not.

Compassion towards those much less well off and those escaping war zones seems to be frowned upon and considered lefty, but ffs, it isn't a political football to be used by the elites, they deliberately muddle victims of war with the same rhetoric as scroungers and set the tone we sometimes see on these boards.

Each country has its issues, here, we have issues with our own 'ruling classes' who use an 'us and them' propaganda war to keep us compliant to the system that maintains their power structure.

 

[SNova]

I thought being in the EU helps us do just that. Like China, for example, has to deal with a continent pretty much, not just us?

In my opinion it hinders us. The EU negotiates on our behalf and leaving would allow us to get our seat back at the world Trade organisation and start to negotiate for ourselves.

If we were not in the EU we would have trade deals with the Commonwealth and English speaking parts of the world where we have good connections already.

Iceland has a free trade deal with China and if they can do it, I'm sure we can.

 

[roydo]

It's not what you didn't say - it's the way you didn't say it.

Or the way someone did read it?

Anyrate, as you correctly say, this is about us and the EU.

 

[davids]

If the vote is to come out will income tax and VAT come down?,will benefits,pensions and wages rise? If the vote is to stay in will income tax and VAT come down?,will benefit, pensions and wages rise? The average man on the street will see no change in his life whatever the outcome.Still it makes BBC Question Time a little more interesting.......but only a little.

 

[roydo]

they love to ramp up a good migrant story, but have no knnowledge wether that applies to other countries or not.

Each country has its issues, here,

That puts it far better than I tried!

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Strange really, because on the whole Brits don't bother learning another language, they expect everyone else to speak English, especially when a lot of them struggle with it themselves...

Well that says a lot about your average Brit. Maybe if their ability to roam was curbed by applying these rules then maybe they would be forced to evolve into something altogether different? Learning new "portable" skills and new languages.

 

[Deggo]

Without them the industry would collapse or prices would rise dramatically.

Is it because that industry in slave labour driven then?

 

[edge]

It's not qualified people we need, though. In the main we produce enough of these. The vast majority of immigrants coming here from Romania and Slovakia etc. are coming to work in minimum wage type jobs. I can't see many people from the USA, Canada, Australia or New Zealand coming over for those. I work in the food industry and that would be changed completely without immigrant - particularly Eastern European - labour. The majority of food manufacturing sites now have work-forces that are predominantly non-British. Without them the industry would collapse or prices would rise dramatically.

What did we do before they got here, were there no factories ? were prices through the roof?
We wouldn't have the cost of the common agricultural policy pushing up produce costs
If we were not in Eu prices would more than likely go down along with are taxes and we could afford to pay the workers a decent wage.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Iceland has a free trade deal with China and if they can do it, I'm sure we can.

As far as I'm aware it's a fairly one-sided deal, as the Chinese are dictating the price of the raw materials and seafood exports.

 

[SNova]

Strange really, because on the whole Brits don't bother learning another language, they expect everyone else to speak English, especially when a lot of them struggle with it themselves...

Well, that's for foreign sovereign countries to decide. If they think the English need to speak say, Spanish then that is what their immigration policy should be.

I don't feel victimized by Australia because they would like me to have skills, no criminal record, and the ability to speak English.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

What did we do before they got here, were there no factories ? were prices through the roof?
We wouldn't have the cost of the common agricultural policy pushing up produce costs
If we were not in Eu prices would more than likely go down along with are taxes and we could afford to pay the workers a decent wage.

And the tories'd have carte blanche to tear up worker's rights legislation that originated from our EU membership....