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The EU deal
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Whistlin' Dixie
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So do I.
And I'll be voting on what I thinks best for them, too.
But there are some on here who think I'll be voting to keep the non-british asians, as well as the rest of the immigrants out - by voting 'out'
You see, some people think we're not allowed to determine our own future if it means some might miss out because they're not british nationals. They just can't see beyond colour. That's all's they're about.
Muggins
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See that's why no one often responds to me on here regarding politics.
Because I don't vote for a side, and would rather vote for an idea, I am left out in the cold.
Because there are no ideas, only agendas.
In my [Poor language removed] opinion.
daylightrobber
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http://infacts.org/leave-pledges-spend-money-doesnt-many-times/
Leave pledges to spend money it doesn’t have many times over
by David Hannay | 31.05.16
Not only is the Leave campaign’s overall figure for Britain’s contribution to the EU budget grossly overstated, but senior figures in the campaign have been busy promising to spend it on their favourite causes: pledging to pay Peter and Paul with money that isn’t there. This is just the sort of irresponsible approach to public finance that, in a general election campaign, brings defeat to the side peddling it as voters wake up to the fact that they are being misled.
The overall figure that the Leave campaigners use (including emblazoning it across the Boris battle bus) of £350 million a week, simply does not exist, as many, including the Office for National Statistics, have pointed out. InFacts has set out clearly here what we do send and how much of that comes back to the UK – as well as explaining how there would be no saving at all if we quit the EU because the economy would take a hit. There would be a hole in the public finances, meaning we would have less money to spend on public services not more.
Some Leave leaders have already earmarked the whole of their fictitious £350 million a week to the NHS, leaving nothing for farmers, or for Cornwall, West Wales or Cumbria; and nothing for the Highlands and Islands or Northern Ireland; and nothing too for scientific research and innovation. Others, such as Boris Johnson, have promised to maintain the current level of support for farmers in perpetuity. Yet others, like the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, have said that that province will not get a penny less than it does now if we leave. Today, the three leaders of Vote Leave – Johnson, Michael Gove and Gisela Stuart – promised in The Sun to scrap VAT on energy bills. This would cost around £1.6 billion, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies.
As the battle bus winds its way around the country, there will no doubt be other such pledges. The sums simply do not add up; if we vote to leave, a lot of people are going to be grievously disappointed.
Leave pledges to spend money it doesn’t have many times over
by David Hannay | 31.05.16
Not only is the Leave campaign’s overall figure for Britain’s contribution to the EU budget grossly overstated, but senior figures in the campaign have been busy promising to spend it on their favourite causes: pledging to pay Peter and Paul with money that isn’t there. This is just the sort of irresponsible approach to public finance that, in a general election campaign, brings defeat to the side peddling it as voters wake up to the fact that they are being misled.
The overall figure that the Leave campaigners use (including emblazoning it across the Boris battle bus) of £350 million a week, simply does not exist, as many, including the Office for National Statistics, have pointed out. InFacts has set out clearly here what we do send and how much of that comes back to the UK – as well as explaining how there would be no saving at all if we quit the EU because the economy would take a hit. There would be a hole in the public finances, meaning we would have less money to spend on public services not more.
Some Leave leaders have already earmarked the whole of their fictitious £350 million a week to the NHS, leaving nothing for farmers, or for Cornwall, West Wales or Cumbria; and nothing for the Highlands and Islands or Northern Ireland; and nothing too for scientific research and innovation. Others, such as Boris Johnson, have promised to maintain the current level of support for farmers in perpetuity. Yet others, like the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, have said that that province will not get a penny less than it does now if we leave. Today, the three leaders of Vote Leave – Johnson, Michael Gove and Gisela Stuart – promised in The Sun to scrap VAT on energy bills. This would cost around £1.6 billion, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies.
As the battle bus winds its way around the country, there will no doubt be other such pledges. The sums simply do not add up; if we vote to leave, a lot of people are going to be grievously disappointed.
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
No, of course not. iSIS are an agressive, oppressive organisation bent on imposing a repressive regime on an area. The ANC were fighting for freedom from oppression, racism and exploitation. Four fifths of South Africa lived in poverty, unable to vote, legally segregated from the ruling fifth. Would you have fought? I would.
Whistlin' Dixie
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Oh, so bombing civilians was alright then. It wasn't a civil war - it was terrorism.
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
Have a think about that one, mate. Go on, I dare you.
What stopped it from being a "civil war"?
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
It's a strange story in Africa, most still live in poverty which if anything has gotten worse. I know it's not PC to say so, but I do wonder what would have happened had we kept control and slowly developed the countries towards Independence, with our current mindsets, rather than it all happening quite quickly with the Mugabe's of this world taking over. I feel as though we let a great opportunity for Africa and its populations be wasted.........
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Sorry Roydo.........
catch up with the Iplayer last week on BBC2 Jeremy Paxman a total neutral documentary on the EU parliament.the un elected upper house over paid bureaucrats in Strasburg set all the laws for 28 countries sent to the NEPS who countries elect to vote on e.g cart before the horse as impossible but just to vote on rules made by an unelected chamber total utter farce - say what you want about Ukip they are spot on with the way the EU parliament is worked right up us - they are turkeys voting for Christmas as their massive salaries will be lost if we leave a fair unbiased documentary about two unnecessary EU parliaments full of red tape maybe ok for big corporations who they will look after not for middle England or the UK!
100 million just for the running cost alone for two parliaments you do not need!
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Of course they will promise to spend the money on whatever sounds good. They are politicians and they all do it. But you can do an awful lot of good with between £5,000million and £8,000million whatever it may be.......
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
Apologies.
Muggins
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Clint can you give me your view on the EU in or out..?
I genuinely don't know what to vote for so am taking all opinions into consideration...
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
.....nasty computer fundamentalists founded by Steve Jobs.
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