The EU deal

[joey_macmo]

settle down guys thread bans to be issued if not.

Sound just seen this

 

[peteblue]

I'm in Slovenia now. A stunning country full of friendly (mostly) English speakers.

Was stood on the border with Austria and Italy yesterday and strangely could barely tell the difference.

I'm sure silly nationalism has its place though.

Use the Calais ring road on the way back and let us know what it looks like.......

 

[Cypher]

I'm in Slovenia now. A stunning country full of friendly (mostly) English speakers.

Was stood on the border with Austria and Italy yesterday and strangely could barely tell the difference.

I'm sure silly nationalism has its place though.

You're the guy who goes to the place where the terrorist shootings are and plays Imagine.

 

[Cypher]

Frank Field did an excellent job of putting the Socialist case for Brexit on QT last night.

Reminisced about the days he and Corbyn were united about being anti-EU when trying to protect workers rights.

He got of of to a dodgy start but by the end I thought he was the best, wisest and most trustworthy panelist by far. Made Owen Jones look like an idealist child.

We can't reform the EU. If we could a lot more people would vote to stay including me but we can't.

 

[Cypher]

I was disappointed in Frank last night. It's one thing to express your own view but he seemed to relish knifing Corbyn in the back.

I think rather he's trying to shame him into standing up for his beliefs.

 

[peteblue]

I was disappointed in Frank last night. It's one thing to express your own view but he seemed to relish knifing Corbyn in the back.

I thought that as well........

 

[peteblue]

Owen Jones excellent, as usual.

I thought he was dreadful, like an animated puppet. Answered his own questions and would then go off on one. I really wanted one of the adults to say 'be quiet boy'........

 

[Cypher]

You really don't have a clue. There's a big difference between not so bright and plain ignorant. People don't take offence because they can. When someone uses offensive language against you, you either suffer it in silence or you speak out. If you suffer in silence, it isn't accepting the abuse, or giving the abuser the permission to continue.

Again people do take offense because they can and personally that's what I think you are doing. It doesn't mean they are always taking offense because they can. Some people are more badly effected than others. It's the absolutes that you use that I have a problem with. It's the sign of someone wanting to control the narrative to make it a binary choice between right and wrong. When people do that they tend to want to use it to control behavior.

 

[peteblue]

Again people do take offense because they can and personally that's what I think you are doing. It doesn't mean they are always taking offense because they can. Some people are more badly effected than others. It's the absolutes that you use that I have a problem with. It's the sign of someone wanting to control the narrative to make it a binary choice between right and wrong. When people do that they tend to want to use it to control behavior.

There was an Englishman, Irishman and a Scot.......start of a joke....

There was a Frenchman, German and a Pole.........start of a xenophobic nationalist rant....

 

[Yid4life]

He got of of to a dodgy start but by the end I thought he was the best, wisest and most trustworthy panelist by far. Made Owen Jones look like an idealist child.

We can't reform the EU. If we could a lot more people would vote to stay including me but we can't.

Our British politicians, if you don't like them, can be voted out every 4-5 years.

How anyone can prefer a system where a load of unelected beaurecrats can dictate or veto domestic policy is beyond me.

What ever you think of Farage he absolutely destroyed them in the EU parliament during and after the credit crisis. For all his faults, (and they are many) one thing he knows is financial markets.

They used to [Poor language removed] themselves every time he got up to speak because they couldn't argue with the truth.

I like to listen to what politicians from both sides of the political spectrum have to say on this issue. Even George Galloway made sense the other day and I think the bloke is an utter ****.

 

[peteblue]

Hahaha.....the Guardian

"George Osborne has been in action, warning JP Morgan staff to “think carefully about the consequences of leaving the EU” before they vote. He was appearing at the investment bank’s centre in Bournemouth, Dorset, alongside JP Morgan’s chief executive, Jamie Dimon."

He really knows how to talk and connect with the average working man.........

 

[peteblue]

Various polls by date.......

Stay % Leave % Undecided % Date Pollster Sample
44 47 9 May 30, 2016 ICM 2,052
42 45 13 May 29, 2016 ICM 1,004
51 42 7 May 29, 2016 ORB 800
44 45 12 May 25, 2016 BMG Research 1,638
41 41 17 May 24, 2016 YouGov 1,500
44 38 18 May 24, 2016 Survation 1,013
45 45 10 May 22, 2016 ICM 2,003
58 38 4 May 22, 2016 ORB 800
44 40 16 May 19, 2016 Opinium 2,008
52 41 7 May 19, 2016 ComRes 1,000
44 40 12 May 17, 2016 YouGov 1,648
48 35 14 May 16, 2016 Ipsos MORI 1,002
47 39 14 May 15, 2016 ICM 1,002
43 47 10 May 15, 2016 ICM 2,048
51 45 4 May 15, 2016 ORB 800
38 41 21 May 12, 2016 TNS 1,222
44 46 11 May 8, 2016 ICM 2,005
42 40 19 May 6, 2016 YouGov 3,378
44 45 11 May 3, 2016 ICM 2,040
42 41 16 Apr 29, 2016 Opinium 2,005

There really is nothing in it.......

 

[Yid4life]

Politics should not be binary. This nonsense that my dad voted Conservative and my grandad voted Conservative (or vice versa) so I have to ALWAYS vote conservative does my head in.

Labour has policies I agree with. They have some I detest. Greens have some excellent ideas and some crap ones. Etc etc.

People should vote on the issues not the personalities. I think Corbyn is a melt and Blair is a war criminal but I would vote Labour if necessary. Boris portrays the image of a bumbling buffoon but did some really good things for London.

 

[peteblue]

Politics should not be binary. This nonsense that my dad voted Conservative and my grandad voted Conservative (or vice versa) so I have to ALWAYS vote conservative does my head in.

Labour has policies I agree with. They have some I detest. Greens have some excellent ideas and some crap ones. Etc etc.

People should vote on the issues not the personalities. I think Corbyn is a melt and Blair is a war criminal but I would vote Labour if necessary. Boris portrays the image of a bumbling buffoon but did some really good things for London.

I've been saying this for years. Personally I'd get rid of political parties, get back to the MP solely representing the people who voted him or her in and voting with the wishes of his constituents.......

 

[Cypher]

Our British politicians, if you don't like them, can be voted out every 4-5 years.

How anyone can prefer a system where a load of unelected beaurecrats can dictate or veto domestic policy is beyond me.

What ever you think of Farage he absolutely destroyed them in the EU parliament during and after the credit crisis. For all his faults, (and they are many) one thing he knows is financial markets.

They used to [Poor language removed] themselves every time he got up to speak because they couldn't argue with the truth.

I like to listen to what politicians from both sides of the political spectrum have to say on this issue. Even George Galloway made sense the other day and I think the bloke is an utter ****.

It's going to be very interesting how history views Farage.