The EU deal

[neil999]

am enjoying how knackered he looks, what the heck are they still talking about anyway..

DC- 'give us more stuff'

EU- 'no'

 

[Norwegian Cow]

norway is not in eu. best decision ever.

 

[neil999]

norway is not in eu. best decision ever.

why?

 

[chewee]

Whatever he comes back with the no camp will savage him anyway.

I genuinely believe we are better in. I remember the dark late 80 early 90s when the only real investment into Liverpool came from EU grants. People also point out the seemingly endless amount of EU red tape in place, to an extent I understand this but such red tape also restricts governments from acting like dictatorships (Especially under our first past the post electoral system).

I notice someone has mentioned Norway above, it is a completely different case to ours. We are a centre right leaning country now, the principles and politics in place there would not survive here. Each EU member / non member states case is unique.

 

[atrottel]

Whatever he comes back with the no camp will savage him anyway.

I genuinely believe we are better in. I remember the dark late 80 early 90s when the only real investment into Liverpool came from EU grants. People also point out the seemingly endless amount of EU red tape in place, to an extent I understand this but such red tape also restricts governments from acting like dictatorships (Especially under our first past the post electoral system).

I notice someone has mentioned Norway above, it is a completely different case to ours. We are a centre right leaning country now, the principles and politics in place there would not survive here. Each EU member / non member states case is unique.

Don't be so sensible, you're discussing politics on a footie forum.

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

Pantomime or substantial?

Pantomime. Lots of the issues Briatin seems to have with the idea of the EU are fundamental principles of the EU. Can't see other counties leaders pandering to us too much, or letting us derail the course the EU is set upon.

I'd imagine they will send David back with something, so he doesn't lose face in front of the public. Very much doubt it will be anything substantial.

 

[peteblue]

Whatever he comes back with the no camp will savage him anyway.

I genuinely believe we are better in. I remember the dark late 80 early 90s when the only real investment into Liverpool came from EU grants. People also point out the seemingly endless amount of EU red tape in place, to an extent I understand this but such red tape also restricts governments from acting like dictatorships (Especially under our first past the post electoral system).

I notice someone has mentioned Norway above, it is a completely different case to ours. We are a centre right leaning country now, the principles and politics in place there would not survive here. Each EU member / non member states case is unique.

The only thing we need from the EU is unfettered access to trade. We don't need them for financial stability, defence or even political support (which we never get anyway).

With non EU countries we have a trading surplus of +£24Bn on imports of £259Bn and exports of £283Bn

With EU countries we have a trading deficit of -£59Bn on imports of £289Bn and exports of £230Bn

And we pay about £20Bn for the privilege......We are being royally screwed by this mob.......

The EU need to trade with us far more than we need to trade with them. Of course the figures alone don't paint the whole picture, but are a decent indicator......

 

[neil999]

The only thing we need from the EU is unfettered access to trade. We don't need them for financial stability, defence or even political support (which we never get anyway).

With non EU countries we have a trading surplus of +£24Bn on imports of £259Bn and exports of £283Bn

With EU countries we have a trading deficit of -£59Bn on imports of £289Bn and exports of £230Bn

The EU need to trade with us far more than we need to trade with them. Of course the figures alone don't paint the whole picture, but are a decent indicator......

i like the flag with the stars on it tho(and its blue)

 

[peteblue]

i like the flag with the stars on it tho(and its blue)

Oh aye, it's a decent enough flag and dead easy to add or delete the stars as required.........

 

[atrottel]

The only thing we need from the EU is unfettered access to trade.

If you say so. (Although personally I would say we need a hell of a lot more.)

Shame that leaving the EU is most unlikely to have that effect?

Facts that UKIP mates and the Mail don't tell you:
EU immigrants living in UK: 2.4 million
British immigrants living in EU: 2.2 million (including one here)

Annual contribution to the EU: between £8 and 9 billion (depending on who you believe)
Annual net benefit from being in the EU rather than outside it: between £62bn and £78bn (according to those commies at the Confederation of British Industry)

 

[SNova]

Whatever he comes back with the no camp will savage him anyway.

I genuinely believe we are better in. I remember the dark late 80 early 90s when the only real investment into Liverpool came from EU grants. People also point out the seemingly endless amount of EU red tape in place, to an extent I understand this but such red tape also restricts governments from acting like dictatorships (Especially under our first past the post electoral system).

I notice someone has mentioned Norway above, it is a completely different case to ours. We are a centre right leaning country now, the principles and politics in place there would not survive here. Each EU member / non member states case is unique.

The EU grant money is our money. I get the impression you see the EU as a protection against UK government. A bunch of unelected people in Brussels setting rules, laws and regulations that we the people of Britian cannot change. Isn't that dictatorship? Just one you agree with.

For me, whether an EU law is a good one or a bad one is irrelevant. The people need the power of the ballot box to change laws they do not like. This is not the case in the EU and never will be. They are anti democracy.

i like the flag with the stars on it tho(and its blue)

The flag which was rejected in many European referendums, but still went ahead.

 

[neil999]

The EU grant money is our money. I get the impression you see the EU as a protection against UK government. A bunch of unelected people in Brussels setting rules, laws and regulations that we the people of Britian cannot change. Isn't that dictatorship? Just one you agree with.

For me, whether an EU law is a good one or a bad one is irrelevant. The people need the power of the ballot box to change laws they do not like. This is not the case in the EU and never will be. They are anti democracy.



The flag which was rejected in many European referendums, but still went ahead.

its lovely, its blue and has stars on it...the miserable g1ts..

 

[rascal]

Dave returns from Brussels

 

[peteblue]

If you say so. (Although personally I would say we need a hell of a lot more.)

Shame that leaving the EU is most unlikely to have that effect?

Facts that UKIP mates and the Mail don't tell you:
EU immigrants living in UK: 2.4 million
British immigrants living in EU: 2.2 million (including one here)

Annual contribution to the EU: between £8 and 9 billion (depending on who you believe)
Annual net benefit from being in the EU rather than outside it: between £62bn and £78bn (according to those commies at the Confederation of British Industry)

If we leave the EU they will still trade with us. Why would they not when they have a trade surplus from the deal. I can just see Germany saying "nein, you may not have have any of our BMW's ".............there may be a few who will want to 'teach us a lesson for leaving' but practicality will always come through......

Trade is trade, the rules and mechanics have changed dramatically over the years but the individual countries that we trade with will still want to do so. However we can stop wasting all this political time focussing on Europe and get back out around the world and plug ourselves back into the Commonwealth countries and the Far East.......

We are the 5th largest economy on the planet, we have a military that's in the top 5/6, we have a permanent seat at the UN Security Council, we are a member of the Commonwealth that has 4X the population of the EU, we have a history of trade, what are people frightened about..........

 

[peteblue]

Dave returns from Brussels

Whatever he comes back with, that picture pretty well sums it up. We need to get back to a position where we can take our own view of what is right and what is not, and if we don't like something then we can change it at the ballot box. We cannot change anything about the way Europe runs or it's views by our own vote........