The EU deal

[rascal]

The only aspect of a potential Brexit to worry about is whether or not we'll have to wait longer at airports on the continent.

 

[davek]

Pantomime. Lots of the issues Briatin seems to have with the idea of the EU are fundamental principles of the EU. Can't see other counties leaders pandering to us too much, or letting us derail the course the EU is set upon.

I'd imagine they will send David back with something, so he doesn't lose face in front of the public. Very much doubt it will be anything substantial.

I think they will and that Cameron being the snake oil salesman he is will get it over the line. But it's after that referendum that the fun and games begin. I can see civil war in the Tory Party if the anti-EU faction dont get their way.

 

[neil999]

I think they will and that Cameron being the snake oil salesman he is will get it over the line. But it's after that referendum that the fun and games begin. I can see civil war in the Tory Party if the anti-EU faction dont get their way.

how so mate? wont cameron be able to beat them with the 'public voted for it' stick?

 

[TheFinnFan]

Sadly you guys wont be getting out

 

[rascal]

Sadly you guys wont be getting out

I didn't realise you want us out

 

[davek]

how so mate? wont cameron be able to beat them with the 'public voted for it' stick?

The anti-EU faction in the Tory Party wont ever take a trifling matter like that as signifying anything. This is an article of faith with them. They'll never be pacified. It's always been a ticking bomb ready to go off in that party and the referendum wont defuse it...probably make matters worse, in fact.

 

[Groucho]

£55m/day eh? That's an expensive club membership. See, we only ask £20 here at GOT, we're kind.

Just to offer a different point of view: does anyone think that whether we're in Europe or out of Europe, it won't make a blind bit of difference to the man on the street?

Keeping out of the Euro currency was a good thing as far as I can see, but will being in or out really make any difference to me and you, day to day? Maybe it will, I don't know.

 

[atrottel]

If we leave the EU they will still trade with us. Why would they not when they have a trade surplus from the deal. I can just see Germany saying "nein, you may not have have any of our BMW's ".............there may be a few who will want to 'teach us a lesson for leaving' but practicality will always come through......

The question is whether Britain (and especially people with your opinion) would want to trade with the EU.

To enjoy free trade with the EU (as Switzerland and Norway, for example, do) you have to sign up to the single market which means that you join the EEA (or, in the case of Switzerland, you pass laws with similar effects). This includes a number of obligations, many of which people of your opinion are against (e.g. free movement of labour) and an obligation to pass laws (in various areas like consumer protection and the environment) similar to those which the EU pass.

Yes, you don't have to pay your 8.5 billion, but you lose EU funding, plus your government don't have much say on laws which are equally as binding on you if you want to carry on trading at preferential rates.
Added: Incidentally you still also have to contribute towards reducing economic disparity within the EU if you are an EEA member (in other words, not in the EU but wanting free trade with it), although the amount would likely be much less than the 8.5 billion

 

[orchard]

I hope an EU minister shaves one of the waster's eye brows off before he gets back

 

[chewee]

The EU grant money is our money. I get the impression you see the EU as a protection against UK government. A bunch of unelected people in Brussels setting rules, laws and regulations that we the people of Britian cannot change. Isn't that dictatorship? Just one you agree with.

For me, whether an EU law is a good one or a bad one is irrelevant. The people need the power of the ballot box to change laws they do not like. This is not the case in the EU and never will be. They are anti democracy.



The flag which was rejected in many European referendums, but still went ahead.

True it is our money, but money which going on tory form during that period would not have been spent in Merseyside.

Those leaders around the negotiating table tonight have all been elected by their country, (As have the various foreign ministers and MEP's. Due to the diversity of nations within the EU we will never get enitirely what we want, it is about being pragmatic for what in my view is the greater good.

 

[magicjuan]

To have a sweaty melt like Cameron negaotiating on behalf of this country is ridiculous. Since the election him and his upstarts have shown they have only an interest in their class, the minority. Everybody else has to pay the price, so why should he being negotiating on anything other than his ilk's own vested interests.

The entire thing is a staged show of posturing, willy waving and ego massaging.

Get shut of the entire lot. As a trading block I am wholeheartedly for it, everything else is corporatist beaureaucratic pants that has become a fascist 'empire'.

 

[chewee]

The only thing we need from the EU is unfettered access to trade. We don't need them for financial stability, defence or even political support (which we never get anyway).

With non EU countries we have a trading surplus of +£24Bn on imports of £259Bn and exports of £283Bn

With EU countries we have a trading deficit of -£59Bn on imports of £289Bn and exports of £230Bn

And we pay about £20Bn for the privilege......We are being royally screwed by this mob.......

The EU need to trade with us far more than we need to trade with them. Of course the figures alone don't paint the whole picture, but are a decent indicator......

Europe's unofficial financial centre is located in London, this would almost certainly be moved should we vote for a Brexit. The City as we know it would have its heart ripped out. Without even getting into trade details such a loss would dwarf the figures mentioned.

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

£55m/day eh? That's an expensive club membership. See, we only ask £20 here at GOT, we're kind.

Just to offer a different point of view: does anyone think that whether we're in Europe or out of Europe, it won't make a blind bit of difference to the man on the street?

Keeping out of the Euro currency was a good thing as far as I can see, but will being in or out really make any difference to me and you, day to day? Maybe it will, I don't know.

Don't think anyone has a complete picture of what the day to day consequences would be. The only one I can really think of is that it might make going on holiday to Europe a bit more of a pain.

As for the Euro, I think originally that every member nation was supposed to join by the year 2020. Not positive on what the situation is currently, but if that is still the case then it would be a a big day to day change assuming we stay in.

 

[peteblue]

The question is whether Britain (and especially people with your opinion) would want to trade with the EU.

To enjoy free trade with the EU (as Switzerland and Norway, for example, do) you have to sign up to the single market which means that you join the EEA (or, in the case of Switzerland, you pass laws with similar effects). This includes a number of obligations, many of which people of your opinion are against (e.g. free movement of labour) and an obligation to pass laws (in various areas like consumer protection and the environment) similar to those which the EU pass.

Yes, you don't have to pay your 8.5 billion, but you lose EU funding, plus your government don't have much say on laws which are equally as binding on you if you want to carry on trading at preferential rates.

What do you mean you lose EU funding.....it's OUR money and they give some of it back.....

If you add the economies of Switzerland and Norway together, they are about one third that of the UK, believe me money talks......

If Europe wanted to do a deal with Russia, they would do it as equals, the UK has a bigger economy than Russia.......

 

[orchard]

-too true, he's stalling and going through the machinations.

No way would they pull out before their whips got their mep sheep to universally vote for ttip again.

To have a sweaty melt like Cameron negaotiating on behalf of this country is ridiculous. Since the election him and his upstarts have shown they have only an interest in their class, the minority. Everybody else has to pay the price, so why should he being negotiating on anything other than his ilk's own vested interests.

The entire thing is a staged show of posturing, willy waving and ego massaging.

Get shut of the entire lot. As a trading block I am wholeheartedly for it, everything else is corporatist beaureaucratic pants that has become a fascist 'empire'.