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We in NI are at about 60% Vote OUT. We know the country will take a hit short term but getting rid of the Common Agricultural Policy but as a whole we will have a better chance of increasing our own economy through agriculture and fishing without the draconian EU re tape that is currently in place.

Are there walls surrounding Switzerland and Norway? :coffee:
I would expect nothing less from the bigots of Northern Ireland.
 
Was listening to a local radio station on the way into work today after having not really paid much attention to the whole debate. What came across from the guy they were interviewing was an underlying dislike of foreign nationals, I can't remember the term he used but he let the mask slip a couple of times and used mildly racist terms to describe them. He somehow managed to shoehorn a comment about sexuality and sexual preferences into the argument, which I'm pretty sure has no relevance at all.

James something or other on BBC 3 counties radio was the guy, sadly if that's their best effort at getting people to exit then they have no hope. He honestly may as well have just come on and said "What's that you say, you don't want no more browns or gays? Well then vote out!"

Absolutely dinosaur.
 
So the UK have open immigration now then do they?
Or do people just have certain "sorts" they don't want in the uk.

Saw some moaning about the Turks joining the EU, that says it all.

All we are advocating for is a points based system for immigration. To help reduce it and to stop the current open door policy towards the EU.
 
So the UK have open immigration now then do they?
Or do people just have certain "sorts" they don't want in the uk.

Saw some moaning about the Turks joining the EU, that says it all.

The point about the Turks was the number of them, now Albanians, I'll give you that.......we are a country with a wonderful multicultural mix, and it works, but uncontrolled immigration causes problems of infrastructure and reduction of labour rates for our poorest........
 
All we are advocating for is a points based system for immigration. To help reduce it and to stop the current open door policy towards the EU.
Like Australia?

Possibly the most racist country on the face of the planet.
 

I have yet to see a compelling argument for an exit where the core point isn't slightly racist.
That's because you don't want to debate on the facts but rather you have an ideological view and nothing will change that. Anyone arguing with you may as well be Galileo arguing with the Pope.
 
Was listening to a local radio station on the way into work today after having not really paid much attention to the whole debate. What came across from the guy they were interviewing was an underlying dislike of foreign nationals, I can't remember the term he used but he let the mask slip a couple of times and used mildly racist terms to describe them. He somehow managed to shoehorn a comment about sexuality and sexual preferences into the argument, which I'm pretty sure has no relevance at all.

James something or other on BBC 3 counties radio was the guy, sadly if that's their best effort at getting people to exit then they have no hope. He honestly may as well have just come on and said "What's that you say, you don't want no more browns or gays? Well then vote out!"

Absolutely dinosaur.

I've never liked that Osborne.......
 
That's because you don't want to debate on the facts but rather you have an ideological view and nothing will change that. Anyone arguing with you may as well be Galileo arguing with the Pope.
What would my ideological view be then mate?
Be the Pope to my Galileo and pontificate as to what ideological viewpoint I hold.
 

All we are advocating for is a points based system for immigration. To help reduce it and to stop the current open door policy towards the EU.

Its not all you're advocating though is it. You're using it to be deliberately divisive.

Vote Leave’s snake oil
Brexiteers’ Commonwealth immigration claims are disingenuous

The approach adopted by the Vote Leave campaign to woo voters of Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi descent is politics of the worst kind.

Vote Leave’s argument – popularised by Priti Patel – is that migrants from the European Union are what made restrictions on immigration from outside the EU so stringent and, therefore, leaving means reducing EU immigration into the United Kingdom. This, in turn, will open up space for more non-EU immigration. The former is untrue – it was the Tories, including Patel and not the EU, that meant Commonwealth migrants would need high levels of minimum savings in the bank before entering the UK. At best this is simplistic, at worst it is a disingenuous and desperate. Both are designed to manipulate one section of our community to vote for a ‘Leave’ campaign that is fast losing credibility with the British public.

The forces behind Brexit are rarely seen on ‘migrants welcome’ marches. Normally they are pushing the government right, not left. It is therefore incredible for some in the BAME community to suggest that if Britain were to leave the EU those that have lobbied hard for Brexit, would then be willing to allow more immigration to the UK from south Asia. It is hard to imagine Boris Johnson patiently waiting at Heathrow airport with open arms to welcome the new wave of immigrants from Karachi, Dhaka, Mumbai or New Delhi.

Like it or not, immigration from non-EU countries is still seen to be as big a problem as immigration from EU countries. The Conservatives’ stated target for net immigration at the last general election was below 100,000. Last year non-EU immigration alone stood at 188,000 net.

If a Brexit vote is successful the direction of travel will be to take a harder line on EU and non-EU immigration, not to relax controls.

But just as it is a fallacy to suggest that leaving the EU would result in a significant reduction in immigration from the EU, it will result in tougher still non-EU rules. Both Norway and Switzerland are not members of the EU but agree free movement of people from it in return for access to the single market. It is likely – considering staying in the single market is the expressed will of many Vote Leave leaders – that the UK would have to do likewise in the event the country voted to leave the EU.

My parents came to this country in the early 1970s to escape the tyranny of Ugandan dictator Idi Amin. They came in search of a better life. They perceived the UK to be a tolerant and respectful country that would give them and their children the opportunity to reach their potential. They were not disappointed. As a country we should be proud that people see the UK as a place where their dreams can be fulfilled if they are willing to contribute positively. The vast majority of EU immigrants do contribute and over the last decade they brought £20bn more to the UK economy than they received in benefits.

Avoid the snake oil salespeople in Vote Leave. There are substantive reasons to choose ‘Remain’ or ‘Leave’, but none are these aforementioned. While it is not perfect, the EU can create those conditions for growth, increase opportunity and better jobs whereas, according to most expert opinion, Brexit will certainly do the opposite.
 
More lies.

Only British citizens or those with right of abode are immune from deportation. Anyone else can be deported for a variety of reasons, be they EU/EEA citizen, on ILR, married to a British citizen etc.

Any non-British citizen can be deported for a variety of reasons. For EEA national, the Home Secretary can only deport on the grounds of conducive to the public good, for public safety or public health reasons. Unless a court has recommended deportation, it's unusual for Home Secretary to initiate deportation, unless there is overwhelming public need.

People like gangs of pickpockets from Eastern Europe have been routinely deported on the ground of being conducive to the public good.

There is a distinction between 'foreign national', and 'European citizen'-if the prison sentence was over a year for a 'foreign national' and two years for a 'European citizen'. Those EU citizens imprisoned for more than two years can be deported.

A foreign national may be made the subject of a deportation order for a number of reasons. These include:
  • The Secretary of State believes that is in the interests of the public good that the foreign national is removed from the UK;
  • The foreign national is the spouse, civil partner or child of an individual who is the subject of a deportation order; or,
  • The foreign national is over 17 years old, has been convicted of a criminal offence which carries with it a prison sentence and the court which sentenced the foreign national recommended that he be deported once he has served his sentence.

We cannot deport EU criminals.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36467725
 

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