The EU deal

[dandydan]

Trouble it seems that its not just the Dutch who want out. A Vote Leave for the UK could spark a wider break down of the European Union.

Let's hope so. But the most likely place where the break up will happen is in Eastern Europe.

 

[Kiwi]

People need to educate themselves from other sources other than the guardian so they can take an informed position. Not all immigration is the same. It's not racist but it is a question of culture and religion.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6915/europe-muslim-enrichment

Linking a antimuslim Neo Nazi thinktank there, might as well post a youtube video if you're looking for a credible source.

 

[SNova]

Lord Rose, leader of the remain group admits that wages for low skilled British workers would rise, but adds, "that's not necessarily a good thing."

Like Australia?

Possibly the most racist country on the face of the planet.

Sure.

 

[SNova]

Its not all you're advocating though is it. You're using it to be deliberately divisive.

Vote Leave’s snake oil

• Rishi Shori | 6 June 2016

Brexiteers’ Commonwealth immigration claims are disingenuous

The approach adopted by the Vote Leave campaign to woo voters of Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi descent is politics of the worst kind.

Vote Leave’s argument – popularised by Priti Patel – is that migrants from the European Union are what made restrictions on immigration from outside the EU so stringent and, therefore, leaving means reducing EU immigration into the United Kingdom. This, in turn, will open up space for more non-EU immigration. The former is untrue – it was the Tories, including Patel and not the EU, that meant Commonwealth migrants would need high levels of minimum savings in the bank before entering the UK. At best this is simplistic, at worst it is a disingenuous and desperate. Both are designed to manipulate one section of our community to vote for a ‘Leave’ campaign that is fast losing credibility with the British public.

The forces behind Brexit are rarely seen on ‘migrants welcome’ marches. Normally they are pushing the government right, not left. It is therefore incredible for some in the BAME community to suggest that if Britain were to leave the EU those that have lobbied hard for Brexit, would then be willing to allow more immigration to the UK from south Asia. It is hard to imagine Boris Johnson patiently waiting at Heathrow airport with open arms to welcome the new wave of immigrants from Karachi, Dhaka, Mumbai or New Delhi.

Like it or not, immigration from non-EU countries is still seen to be as big a problem as immigration from EU countries. The Conservatives’ stated target for net immigration at the last general election was below 100,000. Last year non-EU immigration alone stood at 188,000 net.

If a Brexit vote is successful the direction of travel will be to take a harder line on EU and non-EU immigration, not to relax controls.

But just as it is a fallacy to suggest that leaving the EU would result in a significant reduction in immigration from the EU, it will result in tougher still non-EU rules. Both Norway and Switzerland are not members of the EU but agree free movement of people from it in return for access to the single market. It is likely – considering staying in the single market is the expressed will of many Vote Leave leaders – that the UK would have to do likewise in the event the country voted to leave the EU.

My parents came to this country in the early 1970s to escape the tyranny of Ugandan dictator Idi Amin. They came in search of a better life. They perceived the UK to be a tolerant and respectful country that would give them and their children the opportunity to reach their potential. They were not disappointed. As a country we should be proud that people see the UK as a place where their dreams can be fulfilled if they are willing to contribute positively. The vast majority of EU immigrants do contribute and over the last decade they brought £20bn more to the UK economy than they received in benefits.

Avoid the snake oil salespeople in Vote Leave. There are substantive reasons to choose ‘Remain’ or ‘Leave’, but none are these aforementioned. While it is not perfect, the EU can create those conditions for growth, increase opportunity and better jobs whereas, according to most expert opinion, Brexit will certainly do the opposite.

Again I'm not part of this group. I'm not part of any group. I'm voting to leave because I think that is the best thing for my country and fellow countrymen.

 

[dandydan]

It will effect my chances of working there.

Some of us seek work amongst these funny speaking peoples too. They're actually alright.

You're a bit old to be hanging around the strip in magaluf wearing a high vis.

 

[daylightrobber]

We cannot deport EU criminals.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36467725

I take it you read the sensationalist headline and not the article

"Immigration minister James Brokenshire, who backs Remain, said the UK had deported 6,500 EU criminals since 2010."

and another line from Raab (a Leaver)

"Vote Leave was not saying "you can't remove anyone" but argued that the deportation threshold was higher for EU nationals than non-EU nationals"

We absolutley can deport EU nationals - Stop lying.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That's because one of the benefits is to control immigration and as soon as immigration is mentioned then the racist term usually follows........

We can already control immigration of non-EU migrants, and the stats show that non-EU migrants contribute less to British society than EU ones. It does kind of suggest that officials aren't the best people to decide these things.

 

[SNova]

We can already control immigration of non-EU migrants, and the stats show that non-EU migrants contribute less to British society than EU ones. It does kind of suggest that officials aren't the best people to decide these things.

What do you advocate for? Open borders for the entire world?

 

[Cypher]

Linking a antimuslim Neo Nazi thinktank there, might as well post a youtube video if you're looking for a credible source.

You people are a joke. That's your only argument.

 

[dandydan]

I take it you read the sensationalist headline and not the article

"Immigration minister James Brokenshire, who backs Remain, said the UK had deported 6,500 EU criminals since 2010."

and another line from Raab (a Leaver)

"Vote Leave was not saying "you can't remove anyone" but argued that the deportation threshold was higher for EU nationals than non-EU nationals"

We absolutley can deport EU nationals - Stop lying.

That's 6500 victims of crime squarely down to the EUs open borders.
Just sayin like.

 

[peteblue]

I take it you read the sensationalist headline and not the article

"Immigration minister James Brokenshire, who backs Remain, said the UK had deported 6,500 EU criminals since 2010."

and another line from Raab (a Leaver)

"Vote Leave was not saying "you can't remove anyone" but argued that the deportation threshold was higher for EU nationals than non-EU nationals"

We absolutley can deport EU nationals - Stop lying.

They used the European Arrest Warrant, I.e they were requested by their home nations or by a nation where they had committed a crime. We cannot deport EU criminals once we have released them.......

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I found this useful

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32793642

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What do you advocate for? Open borders for the entire world?

Pretty much, yes. It's laughable that someone would up sticks to another country like they're absent mindedly going to the shops. Seems rather more likely that they're going to another country because they have a plan for a better life, whether that's via work, education or what not. It's hard really to see how some random government official should have any say on that matter.

 

[Yid4life]

Its going to make for a cracking read on here on 24th Jun.

Looking forward to it.

 

[peteblue]

We can already control immigration of non-EU migrants, and the stats show that non-EU migrants contribute less to British society than EU ones. It does kind of suggest that officials aren't the best people to decide these things.

Sounds a bit racist that Bruce........