The EU deal

[edge]

give us an example mate?
What countries in the EU would be considered third world countries?

Technically there are none. Because the terms refer to a political alliance not really economic development.

 

[SNova]

Pretty much, yes. It's laughable that someone would up sticks to another country like they're absent mindedly going to the shops. Seems rather more likely that they're going to another country because they have a plan for a better life, whether that's via work, education or what not. It's hard really to see how some random government official should have any say on that matter.

It all sounds a bit hippie utopia to me mate. Quite an extreme position too I might add.

 

[edge]

going around in circles here so i am out of here, and out of the EU as well shortly

 

[daylightrobber]

If, and it's a big IF, we were to retain access to the single market while also not having to accept free movement, it could possibly take years of negociation to acheive. I'm 99% certain that even if we left, we'd accept free movement, just because it's easier than fighting to get it removed

It might get watered down in some fashion, but it would still be there

If your main reason for wanting to leave is immigration, you're highly unlikely to get what you want even if we do leave

You've a much better chance of getting what you want by Britain instigating reform the EU from within than you ever would by leaving

There is certainly going to be increasing pressure from member states to get reforms for this matter as time goes on. Britain is not alone in having worries and reservations about free movement


I can understand farmers wanting out for the very pragmatic reason that they have to pay ridiculous money to the EU. That definately needs changing, but to leave the EU entirely over it? Not for me thanks

You're all entitled to your views of course, and to vote how you wish, but I think it's plum loco to leave the EU at this current point in time

And yet the NFU's position is to Remain

 

[Neiler]

The liberties are already going because they aren't sustainable if the EU stays the way it is. Schengen is practically a thing of the past. Benefits and worker rights will go next.

The EU would have worked if it was more directly accountable, remained the small number of rich early members and kept it's borders controled and implemented a points system for immigration from outside. I used to be pro EU.

However that was never their plan.

But the freedom of movement issue is only relevant to countries in the EU, surely if there is an issue with immigration its broader then those countries. A Brexit isnt going to have i would think a significant impact.

 

[SNova]

If, and it's a big IF, we were to retain access to the single market while also not having to accept free movement, it could possibly take years of negociation to acheive. I'm 99% certain that even if we left, we'd accept free movement, just because it's easier than fighting to get it removed

It might get watered down in some fashion, but it would still be there

If your main reason for wanting to leave is immigration, you're highly unlikely to get what you want even if we do leave

You've a much better chance of getting what you want by Britain instigating reform the EU from within than you ever would by leaving

There is certainly going to be increasing pressure from member states to get reforms for this matter as time goes on. Britain is not alone in having worries and reservations about free movement


I can understand farmers wanting out for the very pragmatic reason that they have to pay ridiculous money to the EU. That definately needs changing, but to leave the EU entirely over it? Not for me thanks

You're all entitled to your views of course, and to vote how you wish, but I think it's plum loco to leave the EU at this current point in time

EU reform is a pipe dream.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

EU reform is a pipe dream.

Bollocks

 

[Neiler]

There won't be an issue for the law abiding.......

Why take the risk at a mass event. Say a football match or a major tournament. Wont be sifting through 10 of thousands i would think, justban the lot of them, put restirctions or a massive cumbersome visa process.

 

[Pootsy]

And yet the NFU's position is to Remain

"An overwhelming majority of farmers are in favour of the UK leaving the European Union – and intend to vote that way on 23 June – according to new research by Farmers Weekly.​

In an exclusive poll, we asked our readers exactly how they planned to vote in the upcoming referendum. Of 577 farmers who completed the survey, 58% said they wanted to leave, while just 31% said they wanted the UK to remain in the trade bloc.​

These findings are at odds with views expressed by most farming unions in recent weeks and months, who are convinced that farming’s interests are best served by staying a member of the EU."
​

The Bigwigs in some unions may wish to remain but their vote does not represent the people they are meant to be representing.

 

[The Cowboy]

I think you need to have a sit down and consider the irony of what you just wrote there.

You've just destroyed the argument for your fellow Brexiteers, well done.

That's where you're wrong. I have not based my decision on one single factor, I've based it on two factors.

1) keep out dem foreigners
2) ruin your career

 

[SNova]

Bollocks

They are heading towards more integration, not less.

 

[dandydan]

Bollocks

This opinion is based on?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It all sounds a bit hippie utopia to me mate. Quite an extreme position too I might add.

Maybe I'm a bit hippy'ish myself, but I'm exploring moving abroad myself and am considering all of those things. I'm not sure that doing so is that outlandish really but rather sensible. Isn't it more extreme to believe that people will move to another country with no idea how they might live and flourish?

 

[Cypher]

The United Nations mate. Under the ICCPR.

"Any
 advocacy
 of
 national,
 racial
 or
 religious
 hatred
 that
 constitutes
 incitement
 to
 discrimination,
 hostility
 or
 violence
 shall
 be
 prohibited
 by 
law."

Where did that article say they hated Muslims.

They are acknowledging statistical facts within their culture and giving cultural reasons why those statistics occur. Due to those regions they are saying Muslims don't add to our society in a economical way. I fail to see how that is the same as saying they hate Muslims.

Muslims are free to do what they want, they can worship whenever they want, they can believe what they want. If a Muslim has the skills that this country needs and there's jobs available then they can come here to work and join and be a normal part of our society if they want free from discrimination.

However and let me be clear there is no obligation on us to feel the need to pay for them to live an unproductive life. Saying that does not constitute hate speech.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

This opinion is based on?

There is a great appetite for reform in the EU across all member states. The continued success of right wing parties across Europe's major countries is proof of that. People are discontent with the EU in many ways, with immigration being a big thing that people don't like

Even if we vote to stay in, a statement has very much been made and will continue to be made, especially if the vote is close

I think most people who would vote to stay in would agree Europe needs reforming, because it does

I think the majority of people across the whole of Europe would also agree that reform is needed

The tide of continental opinion can only be stimied for so long

Europe can and will be reformed, and it would be much better for us if we're on the inside having a hand in it