The EU deal

[peteblue]

I don't see how the EU are in any way to be blamed for that? It merely demonstrates who we can't place our faith in corporations who are happy to lie for profit at the detriment of people's health.

But then we should have heeded lessons from Victorian Britain and working standards then.

Yet here we find ourselves with scant regard for workers with zero hour contracts promoted. On top of that our socialised healthcare is being decimated and prepped for privitisation and we have an education system completely demotivated by vindictive attacks.

If the EU is one more control or buffer against the tories and the working class or weakest in our society then we'd be a fool for opting out of it.

And yet all this has happened while we have been in the EU, so staying in will definitely make it better........

 

[chicoazul]

And yet all this has happened while we have been in the EU, so staying in will definitely make it better........

For the third time: how is the EU responsible for a decision taken by a corporation to break the law?

Should we not celebrate that there's regulation to enforce this and hold those accountable who seek to flout it?

waits for penny to drop*

 

[peteblue]

They're all the same mate.

Power corrupts...Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

And the further away the Ivory Tower is from the people just adds to this.......

 

[orchard]

Temperature Programmed Desorption (TPD)?

It is the TPD im interested in. Basically brings in a lot of unnecessarily regulations that basically throw away research into the matter to try and regulate an industry. There is also talk of making any promotion or discussion even illegal, so anyone who put a video up or have a forum or whatever else would be breaking the law by even mentioning it. It is all done for one reason mind you, but a reversal of the regulations would effectively open the industry up a lot more increasing trade, businesses and more tax paid which is all positive surely? Right now within 6 months if the TPD is put into strong effect the country will lose a massive amount of money through paid taxes and people becoming unemployed which is the opposite of the conservative way of thinking.

 

[Professor Toffee]

The people the Irish used to rob and raid for centuries getting their act together?

yeah used to rob and raid in our own country and you cant beat ethnic cleansing and famine to impose rule from a foreign capital

 

[peteblue]

For the third time: how is the EU responsible for a decision taken by a corporation to break the law?

Should we not celebrate that there's regulation to enforce this and hold those accountable who seek to flout it?

waits for penny to drop*

Sorry Chico, the VW particulate issue was tested under EU controls which did not pick the apparent cheating s/w up.

What enforcement or criminal prosecutions have the EU brought against VW, what fines have been imposed by the EU.

Obviously the EU is not responsible for a decision taken by VW to cheat, but it was their responsibility to test it.

The USA however will bring appropriate fines.......

 

[chicoazul]

Sorry Chico, the VW particulate issue was tested under EU controls which did not pick the apparent cheating s/w up.

What enforcement or criminal prosecutions have the EU brought against VW, what fines have been imposed by the EU.

Obviously the EU is not responsible for a decision taken by VW to cheat, but it was their responsibility to test it.

The USA however will bring appropriate fines.......

Volkswagen falsified the system to circumnavigate the required results. You can't use that as a stick other than to beat Volkwagen with mate.

 

[Jacko93]

Personally I reckon we'd be insane to leave Europe. We can be good enough to get into the Champions League in a few years, we don't want to be no longer a part of europe just as we get good enough.

 

[dandydan]

I don't see how the EU are in any way to be blamed for that? It merely demonstrates who we can't place our faith in corporations who are happy to lie for profit at the detriment of people's health.

But then we should have heeded lessons from Victorian Britain and working standards then.

Yet here we find ourselves with scant regard for workers with zero hour contracts promoted. On top of that our socialised healthcare is being decimated and prepped for privitisation and we have an education system completely demotivated by vindictive attacks.

If the EU is one more control or buffer against the tories and the working class or weakest in our society then we'd be a fool for opting out of it.

If the EU can't stop corporations getting around emissions laws what guarantees are there to stop them getting around employee protection laws?

 

[peteblue]

Volkswagen falsified the system to circumnavigate the required results. You can't use that as a stick other than to beat Volkwagen with mate.

I agree totally. So let's not pretend that having all this EU regulation stops it all, it doesn't......

 

[Ashtonian]

Temperature Programmed Desorption (TPD)?

tobacco products directive.

 

[SpurtingLesbian]

Sorry Chico, the VW particulate issue was tested under EU controls which did not pick the apparent cheating s/w up.
What enforcement or criminal prosecutions have the EU brought against VW, what fines have been imposed by the EU.
Obviously the EU is not responsible for a decision taken by VW to cheat, but it was their responsibility to test it.
The USA however will bring appropriate fines.......

And what our Independent UK Testing?.. oh that's right, Thatcher sold the relevant labs off in the 80's and downsized the outsourcing because 'Industry could be trusted'

 

[Jacko93]

the EU will in fact be very shortly putting in to place new laws to control the NOx testing scandal which will require all vehicles to be tested under normal operation rather than in a testing environment, even prior to sales to ensure that all information is correct.

 

[dandydan]

I agree but there are levels of it. The EU is much better regulated than our Government which rewrites the rules to suit it's own ideology. They can't really get away with that in the EU as there are so many different voices, checks and balances.

As did the EU to allow Greece into the Euro.

 

[orchard]

I'm not entirely sure,but I don't think we need to move the islands to another continent mate

Personally I reckon we'd be insane to leave Europe. We can be good enough to get into the Champions League in a few years, we don't want to be no longer a part of europe just as we get good enough.