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No one is proposing to take away workers rights and if they are you can vote for another government. It's called being in control of your own country.
Of course they're not proposing it, that would be suicide, but it will happen.

As far as being in control of your own country, I hope you lot who want to leave don't come fkin crying to us when you're left with nothing, because you will have voted for it.
 

No one is proposing to take away workers rights and if they are you can vote for another government. It's called being in control of your own country.

aye...lots of strawman debate here.

I think the concept of an EU is sound, but the authoritarian way it's being ran is not.

Sure, compared to the rest of the world we've still got it quite good...but it's heading in a direction many are feeling instinctively uncomfortable with. Brexit might be the kick-up-the-arse the system needs. Others will follow suit and we can think again about how to have a union without being control-freakery about it.
 
Others will follow suit and we can think again about how to have a union without being control-freakery about it.

Good point that.

Appreciate you dont know every single German, but in general, what would be the reaction/view over there if we did leg it?
 
If we vote remain then thats it, we won't be asked again - ever!

Why not?

If it is dead close, which is likely, and some loony stuff gets rammed down our throat/tories get back in/Scotland have another referendum, then the groundswell could well force another vote.
 

Stay in EU, or don't come moaning when your boss removes all your workers rights.

Absolute nonsense. The EU dictates laws from an untouchable commission which gets more and more powerful every year. If you don't like government policies in this country, you can vote against it. Good luck doing that in the EU.

Why any Briton would want to stay in a massively-over regulated organisation effectively run by Germany is beyond me.

If the EU was so good, why are there no European super tech companies like Amazon, Google or Facebook? Because every aspect of business and life is regulated beyond belief. It's a socialist, bordering on Communist project that strangles competition, meaning Europe is, and always will, lag behind North America and Asia. Bad for business, jobs and public services. The EU is an abomination, anti-democratic and an economic basket case.

There is a huge emphasis on free trade agreements. Well the US and China don't have trade agreements with the EU but every other person has an American-made iPhone, we all have tech products made in China.

Vote leave or you, your children and future generations of Britons will regret it.
 
Good point that.

Appreciate you dont know every single German, but in general, what would be the reaction/view over there if we did leg it?

Many in the working-class would react like "good for them, wish we had a referendum!" whereas the young educated types would instinctively dislike it, especially as it may (emphasis on the "may") complicate coming over to the UK. In reality not much will change, at least for the first few years as everyone gets a feel for the new status.

The business chiefs aren't happy with a Brexit...they're broadly in league with what the IMF have been saying: that economically it's risky. Personally the IMF report read like pro-business propaganda, even scare-mongering at times. There's certain vested interests in a Bremain, things like inter-trade with other EU countries being relatively simple to do. Britain being in the EU with such niceties hasn't helped certain issues like too-high rents/houseprices, domination of the temping sector for young workers and general job-instability. These are problems in Germany too.

These issues will remain after a Brexit so the man on the street won't really tell the difference in that respect. I guess the best argument the pro-business Germans have is that a Brexit may reduce inter-trade, meaning a reduction in British projects, meaning potentially less jobs.

A clever post-Brexit policy shouldn't present a real problem to the man on the street, be they German or British. Switzerland and Norway are doing fine by limiting their obligations to the EU without being a full part of it.
 
Many in the working-class would react like "good for them, wish we had a referendum!" whereas the young educated types would instinctively dislike it, especially as it may (emphasis on the "may") complicate coming over to the UK. In reality not much will change, at least for the first few years as everyone gets a feel for the new status.

The business chiefs aren't happy with a Brexit...they're broadly in league with what the IMF have been saying: that economically it's risky. Personally the IMF report read like pro-business propaganda, even scare-mongering at times. There's certain vested interests in a Bremain, things like inter-trade with other EU countries being relatively simple to do. Britain being in the EU with such niceties hasn't helped certain issues like too-high rents/houseprices, domination of the temping sector for young workers and general job-instability. These are problems in Germany too.

These issues will remain after a Brexit so the man on the street won't really tell the difference in that respect. I guess the best argument the pro-business Germans have is that a Brexit may reduce inter-trade, meaning a reduction in British projects, meaning potentially less jobs.

A clever post-Brexit policy shouldn't present a real problem to the man on the street, be they German or British. Switzerland and Norway are doing fine by limiting their obligations to the EU without being a full part of it.

So as uncertain as we are then!

"Bremain". Like that.
 
Many in the working-class would react like "good for them, wish we had a referendum!" whereas the young educated types would instinctively dislike it, especially as it may (emphasis on the "may") complicate coming over to the UK. In reality not much will change, at least for the first few years as everyone gets a feel for the new status.

The business chiefs aren't happy with a Brexit...they're broadly in league with what the IMF have been saying: that economically it's risky. Personally the IMF report read like pro-business propaganda, even scare-mongering at times. There's certain vested interests in a Bremain, things like inter-trade with other EU countries being relatively simple to do. Britain being in the EU with such niceties hasn't helped certain issues like too-high rents/houseprices, domination of the temping sector for young workers and general job-instability. These are problems in Germany too.

These issues will remain after a Brexit so the man on the street won't really tell the difference in that respect. I guess the best argument the pro-business Germans have is that a Brexit may reduce inter-trade, meaning a reduction in British projects, meaning potentially less jobs.

A clever post-Brexit policy shouldn't present a real problem to the man on the street, be they German or British. Switzerland and Norway are doing fine by limiting their obligations to the EU without being a full part of it.

Thats not strictly correct.
 

Probably going to vote out I think because I like the idea of a European Union, just not the version we have. And the version we do have is far more likely to get worse than improve.

A trade Union is whats needed not a political union. Too many vested interests and career politicking on the remain side. Hence, despite being far from certain I'm right, I will probably vote out.
 

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