The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
This, exactly.....
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This, exactly.....
Steve Wigan
Player Valuation: £35m
I think that feller, while making a good case against the board, cares way too much about what Kopites and the local and national media think of Everton...and he does a great job of demeaning Everton himself by describing us as a lost tribe. Lost? From what?
It's pretty much a whine on the back of a poor season.
I'm having that though: 'the pragmatic drudgery' of the Moyes years. I'll originate that later.
I nearly gave the above a 'like' then realised that I didn't quite like all of it. Toffeeweb very rarely has much good to say about Everton and the board in particular, and that record is a bit old and scratched by now, but like everything else, its an opinion, and nothing more than that. Some things only rise to the surface when the team is playing poorly, not getting results or has had a bad season. If we had made the top four and won a cup this season everyone apart from those with the most genuinely evil of agendas would be thinking life was wonderful. Its a busy couple of days for me, busy time of year, but I'll dip back into this tonight if I get a chance. Unfortunately, I'm not able to sit comfortably and watch this old friend of a thread unfold in the usual directions, Dave! Catch you later !
piddlywiddly
Player Valuation: £500k
Both.
GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
This always annoys me, how is there possibly none better? He loves Everton that much that in 15 years he has invested sod all and sold any star we have had (Jeffers, Rooney, Ball, Barmby, Lescott, Arteta, Fellaini).
He has sat there for 15 years and just taken the Sky Sports money. If he loved us that much he would have sold us for a reasonable price. You're telling me we're the only club that couldn't get bought? He is a fraud, the day he and the rest of the money grabbing board leave, is the day Everton will start to see some real progress.
joey_macmo
Player Valuation: £35m
Id go totally the other way and say why are you bothered that he's mentioned Liverpool in an article about how out support has declined over the years, to not mention Liverpool FC in relation to this would be ridiculous.
Its an article for Everton fans about Everton written by an Evertonian who cares if he talks about Liverpool logically in a manner that is entirely relative to his subject matter. "we don't care what the red side say" and all that jazz
For me this summer is the acid test of the board.
The Kings Dock project would have been great, but I think there would have been enormous difficulties in advancing a ground so close to the city centre.
Kirkby was a divisive project and I think the greatest gain from it was making the City Council realise that they could lose Everton to a location outside of the city.
I wonder if the current project would have ever happened if it were not for Kirkby.
The current project is the acid test. The location is possibly as good as you will get when you consider that we are talking about a large number of acres in the middle of a large city. The fanbase largely will accept the location. I hope the majority of people living in the area will agree that the project will both regenerate the locality as well as create employment.
Can the board deliver, if yes, then I think they have answered a lot of the questions that have been asked of them ,
if not , then I think there is a problem...but we have to wait and see what is proposed.
Incidentally, I have always said that we would never attract a buyer/investor while at Goodison.
I would not be surprised if the unveiling of this project also see the unveiling of a substantial investor in Everton going forward.(My feeling,no information)
The Kings Dock project would have been great, but I think there would have been enormous difficulties in advancing a ground so close to the city centre.
Kirkby was a divisive project and I think the greatest gain from it was making the City Council realise that they could lose Everton to a location outside of the city.
I wonder if the current project would have ever happened if it were not for Kirkby.
The current project is the acid test. The location is possibly as good as you will get when you consider that we are talking about a large number of acres in the middle of a large city. The fanbase largely will accept the location. I hope the majority of people living in the area will agree that the project will both regenerate the locality as well as create employment.
Can the board deliver, if yes, then I think they have answered a lot of the questions that have been asked of them ,
if not , then I think there is a problem...but we have to wait and see what is proposed.
Incidentally, I have always said that we would never attract a buyer/investor while at Goodison.
I would not be surprised if the unveiling of this project also see the unveiling of a substantial investor in Everton going forward.(My feeling,no information)
On a side note how great is that video of the home coming of the 66 cup side, remember going to that, stood on Queens dr, it just goes to show you how big a club we are, those scenes in town are amazing, I urge every blue to show that video to any of their young family who are wavering towards the red side, let no one forget we were and are a bit club.
The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
By god I'm blue
Banned at own request
The new TV deal maybe means he could finally sell the club, but he won't.
He will hang on until he can as it is more of an ego thing for him IMO. He is the modern day Doug Ellis.
Zero investment, sold everything we owned, but he did get one thing right, the the appointment of Moyes, which in all fairness was a bit of a gamble, but I guess every managerial appointment is.
Boss blue though
He will hang on until he can as it is more of an ego thing for him IMO. He is the modern day Doug Ellis.
Zero investment, sold everything we owned, but he did get one thing right, the the appointment of Moyes, which in all fairness was a bit of a gamble, but I guess every managerial appointment is.
Boss blue though
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He's allowing himself and Everton to be defined by the media and Liverpool fans. He's tired of being called 'bitter'? Who gives a flying one what they think about Everton? It's basically ceding the terms of debate and terms of reference to the Kopites if it affects you to that extent.
They have a shameful history as an organisation. That, along with our own proud history, gives me an enormous sense of superiority over them, and it always will. No on-field success/lack of success or media plaudits for them/ignorance of us is undermining that. I have massive reserves of confidence and pride in Everton that cant be depleted by the ebb and flow of measurable numbers of support or column inches in scandal sheets.
It's one thing taking notice of Liverpool in a fashion that highlights their hypocrisy, contradictions, arrogance and lack of morality (I do it a lot of the time myself), but to obsess on the thoughts and words of scabs like the Echo and the Mirror and the broadsheets and SKY, and how they position us vis-a-vis them, is not something I'll ever get into. It's just insecurity to do so, and I'm 100% secure about Everton.
While I agree with a lot of what you say it does grind my gears that rs agender is forced upon us by the media you mentioned, while we are by and large ignored, our history it seems to me is swept under the carpet. Do I care that I'm called bitter not one jot, I agree when you mention their shameful history, arrogance and so forth but when not one media outlet (sky, echo, mirror etc) brings any of these things up you know your fighting a losing battle. For me as long as this continues we will always be in their shadow, and while like you I'm 100% secure about Everton it would be nice to see them have a massive fall of that pedestal the British sports press have put them on and to be shown up for what they truly are.
royvernon39
Player Valuation: £10m
A brilliant article. Also uncomfortable because EFC is losing out to its neighbour and to lots of other clubs in so many respects.
And the blame must be laid at Billly Liar's door. It is not just the lack of trophies and that is important but also the lack of investment in Goodison and its laughable capacity of 39,500 but more importantly the lack of ambition and the listless acceptance of mediocrity.
What does/did Kenright want to do with EFC? A true Blue would have accepted that his own financial limitations were holding back the club he supposedly loved and would have found a decent owner by now.
What is the point of owning a Rolls-Royce if you cannot afford the insurance or the petrol?
And the blame must be laid at Billly Liar's door. It is not just the lack of trophies and that is important but also the lack of investment in Goodison and its laughable capacity of 39,500 but more importantly the lack of ambition and the listless acceptance of mediocrity.
What does/did Kenright want to do with EFC? A true Blue would have accepted that his own financial limitations were holding back the club he supposedly loved and would have found a decent owner by now.
What is the point of owning a Rolls-Royce if you cannot afford the insurance or the petrol?
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
To use your phrase, 'what grinds my gears' - and about one of the only things that does - is that our 1980s team was one of the greatest of all time. Not a question mark over that: it knocked seven shades of sh1te out of 'the best English team ever' (that Liverpool team of the 80s), and yet it's other teams that accomplished barely the same or even less - like that Arsenal team with the SKY moniker 'The Invincibles' that get the plaudits and even a Villa team that beat about one decent team to win Big Ears one season - that get the OTT documentaries about them.
It's very wrong. It should be addressed and corrected as a matter of urgency.
But on the more substantial point of 'being in their shadow': that's not even seriously worth considering. It's what others can and do think, yes. But that's confusing notoriety with achievement and standing in the game. They have won loads (mostly in past generations...let's have THAT right too) but they will always now be known for much more than football. They can keep that. I support a football club recognised to be of high status and renown by football fans everywhere. That's enough for me. They can keep the baggage.
4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
Problem with this mate is you sound like you take it for granted that there is not only a buyer for Everton out there but if he comes in Everton will automatically progress. Its not that simple. Yes im sure if he sold us off cheap, or for a "reasonable price" he might be able to sell the club with ease, but the type of person that is likely to pick us up at whatever that price might be isnt really what we want for Everton. The buisness world is full of shysters like Mike Ashley and the Venky's looking for a bargain to milk, its the last thing we want.
A buyer that will take us forward is what Everton needs, not someone who will take a punt on a football club going cheap.
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