The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

[blueboy1664]

FYI @WatchedToffee is dropping some Wojbombs this evening.


I know it looks like some pretty tenuous links with the Green theory, but I've checked the companies etc myself and it's possible it does add up.

This is perfect sense, Green bailed and supported Bill to buy the club.... rather than having his money sat in the bank with 0.5% interest, he is actively raping EFC with a massive return of his investment. Bills hand are tied, they will not sell their investment as it is a no brainer ... massive win win and no more money required to put in.... its like a spiders web of leaches sucking the club dry. This is what you get when a person tries to buy something out of his reach and calls upon so called friends...... the only way out is try to expose ANY underhand / illegal dealings by the likes of Green / Earle / karen Brady ect

 

[Chang Elephant]

Laughing my balls off at the "journalists" swerving the documents he's linking and the inferences he's making. This is going to break soon.

 

[marty mcfly]

FYI @WatchedToffee is dropping some Wojbombs this evening.


I know it looks like some pretty tenuous links with the Green theory, but I've checked the companies etc myself and it's possible it does add up.

It certainly does. I'm not sure about whether it adds up from a corruption angle as that would depend on the interest charged but with a net spend of probably around 10m this season I think a lot of people are going to be asking questions.

 

[Alex Hindmarsh]

Read his timeline and felt sick. Don't even know what to think, and frankly not a clue how it will stop.

 

[roydo]

Havnt a clue what you lot are on about in here now ffs!

 

[Del-boy]

So this is why the club is always skint? Any money we do have is basically being sucked away from the club in the form of interest payments to green and co?

 

[Azza]

Havnt a clue what you lot are on about in here now ffs!

Essentially WatchToffee has linked the JG Funding loan that ourselves and West Ham have taken out back to a company called Taveta Investments, which is basically Philip Green & his family - see here for a quick summary of their holdings.

The main Taveta is based on the Isle of Man, they are 2 companies registered in the UK of that man, and Green is listed as a director of both and Karen Brady (the West Ham link) is listed as a director of 1.

JG Funding are basically a front (via another offshore company, back to Teveta) as they financially wouldn't be able to put up the £20+ million (or what ever it is this season) for us and West Ham to have.


It's all legal and technically there's nothing wrong with it. But it's pretty poor on everyone's part as he basically skims off the Sky money each year. Not sure why it's been done through JG Funding and not Vibrac this year though.

 

[SerenityNigh]

There is an outstanding ethics question as far as I and many others are concerned and surrounds the ownership of Everton...the precise ownership of 23% of it parked offshore.

What if an American like Mark Cuban wanted to buy the club? What if he offered to buy it through an entity/vehicle he owns in the BVI instead of something he owns in the US? Does that make a difference? Or should his money come through a UK-based entity?

 

[SerenityNigh]

no idea what earl is doing but think kenwright is just holding on as long as possible as he loves being chairman of his club. its heart over head stuff for him, he should move on and sell though. prehaps for people like Earl its just for the prestige of saying "I own a BPL club"

I think Earl wants a handsome return. He bought a Degas at a price he knows is very good and he's waiting for the market to turn so he can sell it.

 

[bourneblue]

Essentially WatchToffee has linked the JG Funding loan that ourselves and West Ham have taken out back to a company called Taveta Investments, which is basically Philip Green & his family - see here for a quick summary of their holdings.

The main Taveta is based on the Isle of Man, they are 2 companies registered in the UK of that man, and Green is listed as a director of both and Karen Brady (the West Ham link) is listed as a director of 1.

JG Funding are basically a front (via another offshore company, back to Teveta) as they financially wouldn't be able to put up the £20+ million (or what ever it is this season) for us and West Ham to have.


It's all legal and technically there's nothing wrong with it. But it's pretty poor on everyone's part as he basically skims off the Sky money each year. Not sure why it's been done through JG Funding and not Vibrac this year though.

So i take it this years bridging loan has been taken out via JG funding and not Vibrac ?

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

Bill's played a blinder here. He's managed to make himself look good to the outside world by not selling a player so he'll be able to get away with spending absolutely no money.

 

[SerenityNigh]

See, this is where you and I diverge.

On field success would change that. Absolutely. I don't believe it's the only thing that would change it though. A strong marketing push driving home the huge amount of marketable content in this club would also see a significant bump in appeal. I don't believe winning is the end all be all to marketing a sports club. You market the culture, history, and significance of the club. You market the emotions of the club. It is never going to be as successful as winning loads of hardware - but it will still be successful and it's much cheaper.

So I'd break it down this way:
Market the club to hell and back
Come out with more merchandise (not just shirts, those are expensive and of limited appeal anyway - toys, flags, t-shirts, coffee mugs, lunch boxes, wine stoppers, whatever.
Continue growing the club on the pitch

I guess I just don't understand why a club has to win everything to be marketable...it really doesn't work like that here, so it may just be a cultural barrier...lucky for Everton more and more Americans are tuning in...ready to buy all kinds of goofy stuff.

I actually think in some markets (like the US), there is limited potential for a club like Manchester United but much greater potential for many smaller clubs. This is not the same for every culture, but at some point it seems there will be a market saturation (growth takes an s-curve shape) for certain PL brands and the "smaller" brands will have the opportunity to grow.

 

[SerenityNigh]

It's a fresh market or was a little while ago. You can't wait to get top 5 to do the groundwork + marketing, by the time you get there regularly the market will be gone.
Plenty of people were picking a team off the back of the world cup, the club needed to show some ambition and foresight and market to those fans, piggybacking Howards popularity as well as what I mentioned above.

At this point, the US may be won or lost with Roger Bennett. If the club aren't working with him expand the brand in the US, they're a lost cause.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Ok, lets flip it then. What HAVE they done to try to increase their presence in the US? They did feck all after Tim Howard became a household name, they did feck all after they had the greatest American footy player saying "I'd only ever play for Everton if I come back".

Like @roydo said, WE were figuring things out last year for the fn club. WE contacted people that were going to do specials on how Everton really OUGHT to be America's football team.

So I'll ask again, what the [poor language removed] have the club done to increase ANYTHING over here?

"I didn't know Tim Howard played for Everton," my non-footballing friend told me Sunday after he watched a few minutes of the TOT-EVE match. He knew Tim Howard's name and Everton's name (because of me), but not that Tim Howard plays for Everton.

 

[Mrk]

If this is true (and that's a big if at the moment) - it is explosive stuff.