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The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

Is it time for change?

  • I'm happy with the way thing are. Kenwright and the Board should stay.

    Votes: 75 10.2%

  • Kenwright and the board need to go. We need change.

    Votes: 558 76.2%

  • I'm indifferent. Can't decide.

    Votes: 99 13.5%
  • Total voters
    732
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Bluesnapper said:
Makes the shareholder feel the glow of the feel good factor.

Makes the shareholder think they are in the box seat for a windfall.

Makes the shareholder think there is no smoke without fire.

Makes the shareholder ignore the dire performance of the money men at the club.

Makes the shareholder ignore the poor performance as per accounts only massively improved thanks to Sky.

Makes the shareholder ignore the dysfunctional board of chancers we have in place.
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This isn't a plc with a wackload of investor shareholders. There are the large shareholders who are on the board who control 70% of the shares, and the medium level ones (like Grantchester) who control another 14%, and who will have a pretty good idea whats going on (their shareholding will be needed to make a takeover compulsory). The remaining 16% is held across thousands of individual shareholders, a lot of whom have one share so they can go to the AGM and shout at the board, and a lot more have had them in the family since whenever. I can't see any of these three categories being heavy in the type of shareholder you list above,

Bluesnapper said:
Go on then the floors yours name him.

Or, if you want shroud the person you know into a list of people.
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If you take the full post, he meant the US fans would know any individual who would be likely to have an interest (as the are all pretty high profile), not that he knew which specific one it was.
 
joey_macmo said:
I linked in the article and the post to which you're responding actually talks about his quotes, all you have done is copy and paste not actually addressed the point. Green appeared to be happy to answer questions for an article that alleges he had control on player transfers and managerial contracts at everton.

With regards to the Kenwright quote it is all related to the absolute hogwash that was the FSF farce (which also answers yours and @Dithering Dougie's point on why people think that these takeovers rumours are ridiculous)

Lets also not forget that Kenwright himself said Green was involved in selling the club



Everyone in that quote is a shareholder or has been employed to sell the club except.................
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Not sure what you're getting at - you originally cropped the Mihir Bose piece so in accordance with normal posting procedure I copied it in full to give the full context.

I would also doubt if PG had editorial privilege over the article to be honest.

FSF and the commencement of the winding up of TBHL (the "falling out" with the Greggs if you like and therefore if the story that the Greggs financed BK's share) both occurred within months of each other in 2004, so is there anything in the piece that that quote to date it?

What I am saying is that when you look at all the evidence in the public domain and take the starting position as I do that the Board are acting within the Companies Acts, Premier League rules and Auditing Standards there is nothing to see here.

What you are trying to persuade me to believe is that:-

Philip Green vicariously owns the shares through BK despite the fact that the Premier League and Auditors would have to know and would have to be shown on the accounts

Philip Green holds the influence of a "shadow director" - Auditors, Premier League and Companies Act disclosures required

In the absence of any of the above disclosures being made, I think I'll put my faith in the integrity (if not the acumen) of the Board members past and present.

If you want me to answer anything you believe that I have avoided, please put the links and the whole text up.
 
Bluesnapper said:
Makes the shareholder feel the glow of the feel good factor.

Makes the shareholder think they are in the box seat for a windfall.

Makes the shareholder think there is no smoke without fire.

Makes the shareholder ignore the dire performance of the money men at the club.

Makes the shareholder ignore the poor performance as per accounts only massively improved thanks to Sky.

Makes the shareholder ignore the dysfunctional board of chancers we have in place.
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So basically you think the shareholders are all idiots.
 
hibbo'sclass said:
Not sure what you're getting at - you originally cropped the Mihir Bose piece so in accordance with normal posting procedure I copied it in full to give the full context.

I would also doubt if PG had editorial privilege over the article to be honest.

FSF and the commencement of the winding up of TBHL (the "falling out" with the Greggs if you like and therefore if the story that the Greggs financed BK's share) both occurred within months of each other in 2004, so is there anything in the piece that that quote to date it?

What I am saying is that when you look at all the evidence in the public domain and take the starting position as I do that the Board are acting within the Companies Acts, Premier League rules and Auditing Standards there is nothing to see here.

What you are trying to persuade me to believe is that:-

Philip Green vicariously owns the shares through BK despite the fact that the Premier League and Auditors would have to know and would have to be shown on the accounts

Philip Green holds the influence of a "shadow director" - Auditors, Premier League and Companies Act disclosures required

In the absence of any of the above disclosures being made, I think I'll put my faith in the integrity (if not the acumen) of the Board members past and present.

If you want me to answer anything you believe that I have avoided, please put the links and the whole text up.
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I put the link up in the original post then I talked about the Phillip Green quotes before you even replied to me that's the whole point.

You don't seem to understand that Green has been happy to give Bose quotes directly when he's accusing him of having transfer and managerial approval at the club. He also has never refuted this despite his knowledge of the article being written (again because gave the writer direct quotes for the article)

So we have 2 pieces by highly respected publications stating Alleging that Green has financial influence over Everton be that through credit or otherwise.

We have Kenwright himself insinuating quite obviously that a line of credit (coincidentally the same amount that the times piece states) came from Green.

Then again we have Kenwright himself stating that Green is involved with selling the club (though you and others want us to believe that he would not benefit a single penny from this?)

Not one of the above has been retracted or challenged upon publication.

I personally don't think he owns part of Everton but I do believe he supplied credit to the club or to people for the club.
 

Is it possible that Philip Green has given a line of credit to Bill Kenwright personally to finance his takeover of the club ?
If this were true it would be an arrangement between Philip Green and Bill Kenwright and would have nothing to do with Everton. If the shares in Everton were in any way used as security then that would have to be disclosed in the accounts as I understand it.

I have no idea if this is true, merely posing a possibility.
 
joey_macmo said:
I put the link up in the original post then I talked about the Phillip Green quotes before you even replied to me that's the whole point.

You don't seem to understand that Green has been happy to give Bose quotes directly when he's accusing him of having transfer and managerial approval at the club. He also has never refuted this despite his knowledge of the article being written (again because gave the writer direct quotes for the article)

So we have 2 pieces by highly respected publications stating Alleging that Green has financial influence over Everton be that through credit or otherwise.

We have Kenwright himself insinuating quite obviously that a line of credit (coincidentally the same amount that the times piece states) came from Green.

Then again we have Kenwright himself stating that Green is involved with selling the club (though you and others want us to believe that he would not benefit a single penny from this?)

Not one of the above has been retracted or challenged upon publication.

I personally don't think he owns part of Everton but I do believe he supplied credit to the club or to people for the club.
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I understand that Bose and other respected journalists have been given quotes by PG, all of which state that he has no investment in Everton. As I mentioned in at least one previous post "I understand" "My understanding is" are basically the same as allegedly, and do you not think that we have probably spent more time on here discussing it than PG has worrying about it. If you think about it, it possibly panders to his ego that he can be seen to control a football club without owning a share in it.

The line of credit by which I assume you mean is Green's company may well have been put in place verbally, but unless they were unsecured no charge was taken against EFC and did not appear in the accounts or notes as would be expected. As stated before, I have a theory about this, but would prefer not to share it.

With regard to him supplying credit to people for the club, if you mean do I think it's possible he bank-rolled BK, I certainly wouldn't discount the idea. Only thing is that this is between him and BK/whoever and as such is nothing to do with us.

Think agreeing to disagree on certain aspects is the best way to leave this mate.
 


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