The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

[hibbo'sclass]

That's probably because people don't appreciate the truth when it's broken down so simple even an idiot can understand it. Just look how @Bob Elstone has ignored your post about Phil Green.

I just look at it that people are entitled to their opinion and believe what they wish to.
Something that both the links from late last night actually show is that Philip Green has always denied having any investment in Everton.

 

[hibbo'sclass]

A business associate with professional links to PG told me last year that NO major decisions of Everton FC are made until such time as PG has reviewed relevant documentation and/or offered his opinion/OK.

Unsure what to make of the above - are you or your associate saying that PG has an interest in the club?
Also, are you saying that PG is a shadow director or an informal advisor - if the former then time for the auditors (who have not been told the whole truth) and Premier League (ditto) to investigate the club, also it would surely mean that the minority shareholders had been misled so possible remedies in accordance with the Companies Acts?

 

[joey_macmo]

Trust me, I am firmly in the camp of Green having no control over Everton and what I was trying to do was respond to a poster who is firmly of the opinion that "watched toffeee tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth".

There are many reasons why under the Companies Acts, Auditing Standards and the rules of the Premier League that point to PG not being:

a shadow director
a provider of finance to the club
a significant shareholder

I was trying to get the poster to work out for himself that PG would run the company with more acumen.

Do I think that BK has turned to him informally for advice - yes

Have I answered all of the points mentioned in watched toffee - yes, at length from end of August onwards. Also look at the posts from the esk, Foot Long Hot Dog and others.

What about the Mihir Bose piece? What about The Times piece? What about the Kenwright Quote which is one of the most obvious confirmations i've ever seen.

 

[AndyC]

Unsure what to make of the above - are you or your associate saying that PG has an interest in the club?
Also, are you saying that PG is a shadow director or an informal advisor - if the former then time for the auditors (who have not been told the whole truth) and Premier League (ditto) to investigate the club, also it would surely mean that the minority shareholders had been misled so possible remedies in accordance with the Companies Acts?

I have no personal knowledge of the extent of involvement in Everton by PG, I was merely advising that someone I trust implicitly and who has had dealings with PGs NY offices, told me that no major decisions are made by Everton FC without PG seeing all the relevant documentation or being fully appraised of the detail.

 

[joey_macmo]

That would mean that the shareholders are either extremely fickle or extremely stupid.

As for the half price season tickets I don't see it as a factor seeing as we pretty much sell out every home game any way and the club make more money on a single match ticket than discounted season ticket.

Pretty sure Half season tickets arent discounted

Edit: they are but not even close to a normal season ticket

 

[joey_macmo]

I just look at it that people are entitled to their opinion and believe what they wish to.
Something that both the links from late last night actually show is that Philip Green has always denied having any investment in Everton.

yet he was happy to give direct quotes to a writer who was stating clearly that the manager has to go to him for buying & selling players. This piece has also never been challenged or retracted despite Greens obvious knowledge it was being written.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Pretty sure Half season tickets arent discounted

Edit: they are but not even close to a normal season ticket

So I'm right.

 

[Donald Twain]

So I'm right.

Surely not!

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Surely not!

That hurts Donald.

 

[Donald Twain]

That hurts Donald.

Sorry Doug, carry on.

 

[hibbo'sclass]

What about the Mihir Bose piece? What about The Times piece? What about the Kenwright Quote which is one of the most obvious confirmations i've ever seen.

Anything that starts with "It is my understanding" is like using alleged and I note that the paragraph after you finished your quote was the one in which to paraphrase PG said he had no interest in the club. Full text below;

Everton chief executive Keith Wyness has resigned, the club has announced.
Wyness had been the driving force behind the club's plans to build a new 50,000-capacity stadium in Kirkby, which is awaiting Government approval.
But Everton claim Wyness' sudden departure is not linked to the future of their proposed new stadium.
BBC sports editor Mihir Bose believes Wyness's exit was prompted by retail tycoon Philip Green's involvement behind the scenes at Goodison Park.
"Although Green, one of the richest men in the country, is not formally connected to Everton, he has been involved in much of the Toffees' recent activity," said Bose.
"I understand the manager David Moyes has had to go to Green on his plans to buy and sell players, and also finalise his contract."
Green is a long-standing friend of Everton chairman Bill Kenwright and Robert Earl, who owns nearly 24% of Everton through a British Virgin Islands company.

Green confirmed his relationship with Kenwright, and speaking to Bose, he said: "Everybody knows I'm a friend of Bill Kenwright, and I helped him get Everton.
"It is his club and his ball. He asked me for advice - If people ring me up and on a confidential basis ask me to help, what is wrong with that?
"Dozens of people call me up and they get free advice. I am always willing to help. I have no interest in investing in football, I could have invested 10 years ago but I did not."
In terms of the stadium project Wyness was overseeing, planning consent has been received for the Kirkby stadium but a government decision on whether or not to "call in" the project is expected this week.
Wyness had previously voiced fears that calling it in could jeopardise the plans.
But a club statement said: "The club wish to re-iterate our commitment to the Destination Kirkby project.
"The departure of Keith Wyness is in no way connected to that project."
Everton are concerned that an inquiry would put back the move for a year and kill off the controversial £400m scheme.
The club's debts stand at about £66m, which is understood to include an overdraft of £40m and a long-term debt of £26m.
The proposals to move to Kirkby have been opposed by some Everton fans angered by a possible move outside Liverpool's city boundaries.
Club sources meanwhile though insist it is a case of "business as usual" at Goodison despite Wyness' departure, with a spokesman adding: "The board will meet in about a fortnight to discuss the situation."
It is believed Wyness actually tendered his resignation by email after discussions with board members at the weekend, and that he will seek to negotiate a pay-off.

The above is the full and unabridged version, the highlights are mine.

Give me the date of the Kenwright quote and I am pretty certain that it will coincide with BK falling out with the Greggs who allegedly had financed BK's part of TBHL and probably relates to PG helping BK to get the club. It may or may not be that PG loaned money personally to BK - this has nothing to do with the club or anyone else and BK would be right to plead confidentiality.

The Times piece that you refer to I can't find a link to, but as you reference Leafpoint let's follow the paperwork - suggest that if you look up the filings for both companies at Companies House you will find that there were no charges raised, so if it occurred it was unsecured, if you want to refer to the Everton accounts there is no mention of it. I have my own thoughts about Leafpoint, but no evidence to back them up so commenting is ridiculous and if I'm wrong, libellous.

 

[joey_macmo]

So I'm right.

So you are trying to say that the club would be better off not selling Half season tickets?

Interesting point of view

 

[joey_macmo]

Anything that starts with "It is my understanding" is like using alleged and I note that the paragraph after you finished your quote was the one in which to paraphrase PG said he had no interest in the club. Full text below;

Everton chief executive Keith Wyness has resigned, the club has announced.
Wyness had been the driving force behind the club's plans to build a new 50,000-capacity stadium in Kirkby, which is awaiting Government approval.
But Everton claim Wyness' sudden departure is not linked to the future of their proposed new stadium.
BBC sports editor Mihir Bose believes Wyness's exit was prompted by retail tycoon Philip Green's involvement behind the scenes at Goodison Park.
"Although Green, one of the richest men in the country, is not formally connected to Everton, he has been involved in much of the Toffees' recent activity," said Bose.
"I understand the manager David Moyes has had to go to Green on his plans to buy and sell players, and also finalise his contract."
Green is a long-standing friend of Everton chairman Bill Kenwright and Robert Earl, who owns nearly 24% of Everton through a British Virgin Islands company.

Green confirmed his relationship with Kenwright, and speaking to Bose, he said: "Everybody knows I'm a friend of Bill Kenwright, and I helped him get Everton.
"It is his club and his ball. He asked me for advice - If people ring me up and on a confidential basis ask me to help, what is wrong with that?
"Dozens of people call me up and they get free advice. I am always willing to help. I have no interest in investing in football, I could have invested 10 years ago but I did not."
In terms of the stadium project Wyness was overseeing, planning consent has been received for the Kirkby stadium but a government decision on whether or not to "call in" the project is expected this week.
Wyness had previously voiced fears that calling it in could jeopardise the plans.
But a club statement said: "The club wish to re-iterate our commitment to the Destination Kirkby project.
"The departure of Keith Wyness is in no way connected to that project."
Everton are concerned that an inquiry would put back the move for a year and kill off the controversial £400m scheme.
The club's debts stand at about £66m, which is understood to include an overdraft of £40m and a long-term debt of £26m.
The proposals to move to Kirkby have been opposed by some Everton fans angered by a possible move outside Liverpool's city boundaries.
Club sources meanwhile though insist it is a case of "business as usual" at Goodison despite Wyness' departure, with a spokesman adding: "The board will meet in about a fortnight to discuss the situation."
It is believed Wyness actually tendered his resignation by email after discussions with board members at the weekend, and that he will seek to negotiate a pay-off.

The above is the full and unabridged version, the highlights are mine.

Give me the date of the Kenwright quote and I am pretty certain that it will coincide with BK falling out with the Greggs who allegedly had financed BK's part of TBHL and probably relates to PG helping BK to get the club. It may or may not be that PG loaned money personally to BK - this has nothing to do with the club or anyone else and BK would be right to plead confidentiality.

The Times piece that you refer to I can't find a link to, but as you reference Leafpoint let's follow the paperwork - suggest that if you look up the filings for both companies at Companies House you will find that there were no charges raised, so if it occurred it was unsecured, if you want to refer to the Everton accounts there is no mention of it. I have my own thoughts about Leafpoint, but no evidence to back them up so commenting is ridiculous and if I'm wrong, libellous.

I linked in the article and the post to which you're responding actually talks about his quotes, all you have done is copy and paste not actually addressed the point. Green appeared to be happy to answer questions for an article that alleges he had control on player transfers and managerial contracts at everton.

With regards to the Kenwright quote it is all related to the absolute hogwash that was the FSF farce (which also answers yours and @Dithering Dougie's point on why people think that these takeovers rumours are ridiculous)

Lets also not forget that Kenwright himself said Green was involved in selling the club

“You’re asking why the club hasn’t been sold? I have no idea why Keith Harris, Amanda Staveley, Philip Green, Robert……Elstone, Bill Kenwright…..”

Everyone in that quote is a shareholder or has been employed to sell the club except.................

 

[Groucho]

Sutton Kersch may be involved in selling my house, it doesn't mean they own it.

What's next? Phillip Green takes goalkeeping training? Maybe that's why Tim Howard has gone rubbish?

Let's face it, few of us know much about the board's workings, in all honesty. It's mostly guesswork. I'm probably going to be replied to with essays here.

 

[Who's_up_for_cumpkins?]

who gives a monkey's arguing over Green's influence or lack there of. Say he is some shadowy puppet master whose fronted all Kenwright's investment to buy the club and/or pay off loans/debts, I doubt he'd stand in the way of a new buyer as he'll make a tidy profit out of his limited investment with little hands on effort expended.