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not harsh at all, more a case of broken promises and failures,Kings dock will long be a sore point with a lot of evertonians, other mistakes are easier to forgive, its just the quantity that bugs me, one after another. and don't get me started on DK<spits> an awful ground, an awful location, an awful transport set up. "deal of the century"" world class stadium" yeah, and i can run the three minute mile. and i would love to know the real reason we lost KD, was it BKs ego? an error of judgement? whatever , it cost the club massively. so pardon me if i dont share your optimism of this board. to me , they will reek of failure.
as iv said before, i dont want a billionaire, just someone who can give the manager a regular transfer kitty.and can maybe, improve our financial situation, and if were really lucky, sort the ground situation.
Out of intrest if Davey goot 30 mill this window, would you come on and say that Bill was a brilliant chairman.
no, but talking while having a coronary is somewhat difficult.
seriously, i would be suspicious as to how and why. i can't help it. to many things have happened to just trust them .
Speaking as a converted Kenwronger, I still feel credit must be gave to Neiler on a fantastic battle. He's had lids jumping all over him and he's delivered some stunning haymakers.
heres my reasons for not trusting the BK and board, plain and simple;
he lied to us , that cost us the Kings Dock. probably the single most important decision in a generation, it ticked all the boxes;
superior design
price
excellent CITY CENTER
location
non football events allowed
TIMING, would have been spot on with the EPL
we were then lied to about Destination Kirkby;
world class stadium, never in a million years
effectively free, well it came out with figures from£78m upwards
location, poor
non football events, NO
transport, OMG, where to start, awful..
we were lucky to swerve what would have been the single most disasterous decision, well not really lucky, it just broke so many local planning regulations it never really stood a chance.
these two decisions alone are enough to give me reservations about their ambition, decision making and honesty. and there are other faults on top of this, but for me , this is more than enough reason to distrust and want a change at the top.
he lied to us , that cost us the Kings Dock. probably the single most important decision in a generation, it ticked all the boxes;
superior design
price
excellent CITY CENTER
location
non football events allowed
TIMING, would have been spot on with the EPL
we were then lied to about Destination Kirkby;
world class stadium, never in a million years
effectively free, well it came out with figures from£78m upwards
location, poor
non football events, NO
transport, OMG, where to start, awful..
we were lucky to swerve what would have been the single most disasterous decision, well not really lucky, it just broke so many local planning regulations it never really stood a chance.
these two decisions alone are enough to give me reservations about their ambition, decision making and honesty. and there are other faults on top of this, but for me , this is more than enough reason to distrust and want a change at the top.
milks
I hate football
Can only apologize I wasn't about to help out last night Neiler. Good work under duress. Watch your grammar though
This post I agree with. The board have made mistakes. A horrendous one in regards to KD and they completely misjudged the potential reaction to DK. Despite this, Everton are in an infinitely better position than we were in before Kenwright's involvement.
Comparisons have been made with several of our peers in the EPL and the 'investment' placed into the clubs by their respective boards. My take on the Arsenal/Villa models are below.
Arsenal - despite their 'sustainable' model; large self owned stadium, high ticket prices & sell outs. Wenger has admitted he still needs to sell £20m worth of talent a year to break even. Their wonderful figures for the last year excluded a large tax break which has been offset or amortised over time.
Aston Villa - completely and utterly in hock to Randy Lerner. Whilst not in the same league as Chelsea/Man City, Lerner is a wealthy, sports 'wise' investor. He was able to purchase a club lacking in debt, the legacy of Doug Ellis' regime. He has however personally lent up to £100m in the club. This is the bit I think people are missing. He's not donated this money; he's invested it. Should he get bored, walk away or should Villa get relegated and the revenue streams dry up, Aston Villa will owe him that money and I'm fairly sure he'll want it back.
Living in the Midlands I spend a lot of time with Villa/Birmingham fans. Both groups have complained about their boards recently; Villa in the Ellis era, Blues in the Bongo Twins era. However, both Ellis & Gold/Sullivan ran tight ships, didn't load the clubs with artificial investment and debt - and much like the current Everton board were pilloried for this.
Since the respective sales, a percentage of their fans are happy as there have been new players signed albeit at the cost of stability/consistency in the management (something everyone down here is incredibly jealous of Everton for). The issue comes, as I've no doubt we'll see with Birmingham in the not too distant future, when things don't go well on the field. The owners will want out as they can't maintain the revenue to ensure consistent turnover, but they also want their investment back.
No buyer = Administration.
Unfortunately for everyone, the everyman's idea of how a football club should be run has been hugely soured by the Chelsea and Man City ownership models and the 'why can't this happen to us?' brigade appear. The new financial regs will identify more problems with more clubs, but while certain clubs continue to pander to the obscene wage demands of 'average' players then Everton and their peers are going to be placed under undue pressure to achieve the Golden Egg of a Top 4 finish.
Based on all this, I am still wrong to think that 6th/7th in the EPL is as good as we can expect to achieve?
be warned, the grammar police are about. but getting back to your post, i accept much of it. BUT, no club has the missed opportunities of ours, i can accept the lack of finance to a point. but to be so inept on so many occasions. thats just unforgivable.if it was not for these reasons, i doubt there would be so many people complaining about the board.
Chang Elephant
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You've picked out a point that no-one made there. The worry is that Kenwright and Spurs investors have already turned down serious bids from credible buyers because their mark up profit was not enough..........they're looking for the "right buyer" for their pockets, not the "right buyer" for the club going fowards, and strangling the club with inaction/incompetence in the meantime.
Chang Elephant
Forum God
milks
I hate football
Is this just a worry, or is there a strong undercurrent of rumour and speculation that this has already happened?
The subtext of everything I've read over the past few years, not really including Kenwright's rhetoric, is that the board will happily take their original investment back and aren't looking to profit. The evidence is out there and anyone* with an understanding of business and the way that football clubs are run should know that there isn't a great deal of profiteering to be had from buying into sport.
*this isn't a dig in any way at the Kenwrongers before anyone kicks off at me again, more a catchall anyone to include Kenwright, Earl et al.
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