The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[sirblue57]

well try reading more. i have not said much about the boards successes, simply because i have yet to see one that has done anything to improve the club, eleven years in charge, and what have they to show for it? david moyes, and thats the only reason things have improved on the pitch. and as for your stupid suggestion of who to support, my support is for the CLUB, that is not a direct support for the board, or BK, they are merely CUSTODIANS, who are not doing a very good job really. and the comment about lerner, do you think that this current board are doing a good job? at least lerner TRIED to improve the squad by INVESTING, how much have any of our board invested? so before you make ill informed judgements on people, get your facts straight, and one other thing, just point out WHERE, i stated that lerner/villa was the model i wanted everton to follow. in other words, "put up or shut up". the sooner they can make a moron free internet , the better.

 

[Matt Damon]

well try reading more. i have not said much about the boards successes, simply because i have yet to see one that has done anything to improve the club, eleven years in charge, and what have they to show for it? david moyes, and thats the only reason things have improved on the pitch. and as for your stupid suggestion of who to support, my support is for the CLUB, that is not a direct support for the board, or BK, they are merely CUSTODIANS, who are not doing a very good job really. and the comment about lerner, do you think that this current board are doing a good job? at least lerner TRIED to improve the squad by INVESTING, how much have any of our board invested? so before you make ill informed judgements on people, get your facts straight, and one other thing, just point out WHERE, i stated that lerner/villa was the model i wanted everton to follow. in other words, "put up or shut up". the sooner they can make a moron free internet , the better.

LOANING not investing LOANING. DEBT, money to be paid back plus interest.

Spent on their team and wages.

£140million of debt and £30million a season losses later.... they still need more loans.


:huh: The fact you're unwilling to acknowledge this is very telling.

 

[sirblue57]

semantics, the reason for the loan? to invest in the team, in the hope of breaking into the champions league, which is the only real way to recoup back ANY of the loan, i get it, now do you?

 

[sirblue57]

Are you swerve sirblue57 (from kipper)
Your intransigence with Bill Kenwright and the Everton board is plainn to see.
Do you ever post anything else on any everton forum other than to waffle on about the clubs finances ?
You're all to ready to post up anything negative about the club,yet are loathe to give any credit to anything this club achieves on or off the pitch.
If you consider Aston Villa and Randy Lerner to be the very epitome of how a football club should be run,then go and 'support' them,as it is abundantly clear you offer no support to everton.
None that I've ever read in any of your posts.

one other thing, what,exactly, have the club achieved OFF the pitch in the last decade to be excited about, blacktoffee, do not help him.

 

[bourneblue]

The creation of the the academy one of the finest in the prem,never in my 30 odd years of following this club have i witnessed such a crop of young talent coming through our ranks.
Their achievements this season are a true measure of this investment.
Correct ?

 

[sirblue57]

The creation of the the academy one of the finest in the prem,never in my 30 odd years of following this club have i witnessed such a crop of young talent coming through our ranks.
Their achievements this season are a true measure of this investment.
Correct ?

which was overseen by moyes, yes. thats ONE. next?

 

[bourneblue]

which was overseen by moyes, yes. thats ONE. next?

Silly man, Moyes did not create, or does not finance the academy.
Am sure the academy staff will disagree with you on that.
Now i could crash this forum big time with all your inane ramblings about Bill and the board,should I have a spare couple of months to amass them all.
You're akin to a human computer virus infecting only Everton forums.

 

[sirblue57]

now theres were you come across as just to dumb to converse with, moyes has been the catalyst for the acadamy, its his drive and ambition which has dragged this club forward, yet im anti everything. the ONLY thing i am against is this board, had you read my posts before starting your diatribe, you would have understood WHY im passionate about change in the boardroom, in eleven years the club has stagnated, the only positive has been moyes, who is not without faults, but thank god for him, where this club would be with whoever the boards other choice was scares me sensless( a bit like you).

 

[milks]

Those buying the scarves are saying they don't settle for it.

Nil Satis No Optimism is your motto, Nellers, BT's, Leon's and the various people who sign up for occassional essays on why Bill is great (or some sort of diversion about Aston Villa) before disappearing after one or two posts like propaganda in the rain.

Erm, I'm in your little group at the end there bud.

I think the club motto is lovely and all, but my word it is an outdated legacy of times when football were football driven. Everything changed in 1992 with the Sky intervention and nothing will ever be the same again. It looks nice on the logo and it's wonderful rhetoric, but it shouldn't drive the business forward - even as an aspirational benchmark.

Nothing but the best would be lovely; but let's be realistic and accept we're trying to compete with businesses turning over MILLIONS and MILLIONS of pounds more than Everton.

*awaits inevitable backlash*

 

[davek]

Erm, I'm in your little group at the end there bud.

I think the club motto is lovely and all, but my word it is an outdated legacy of times when football were football driven. Everything changed in 1992 with the Sky intervention and nothing will ever be the same again. It looks nice on the logo and it's wonderful rhetoric, but it shouldn't drive the business forward - even as an aspirational benchmark.

Nothing but the best would be lovely; but let's be realistic and accept we're trying to compete with businesses turning over MILLIONS and MILLIONS of pounds more than Everton.

*awaits inevitable backlash*

I hate this dented shield mentality. "Let's be realistic". Whoever said you could use the word realism in relation to that white flag mentality motoring your post? We created the SKY-driven Premier League with 5 other clubs and then threw it away with rubbish appointments and even worse ownership. There's nothing inevitable about Everton being an also-ran. THIS period is the abberation from Everton's history...THIS period alone. Short term defeatist nonsense that damns the club mission statement as being a 'quaint remnant' of the past just helps prolong the time in the doldrums. If you accept mediocrity, that's what you get. Simple.

 

[davek]

He gets the bill getting hit bit but totally swerves the harder to sell part.

If Everton is priced at an unrealistic level (which is the claim from Kenwrongers anyway) it won't be sold.

Strange that you accuse Bill of pricing Everton out of the market but support an activity that will do precisely that - with no care about the consequences to other innocent investors.

Every interesting. Davek, when the light bulb flashes come back to me.

Laughing at this. You went from inflating your own mathematical and business skills in reltion to my 'inability to understand', to agreeing with my fundamental point. I'm not a great business mind but I have a layman's grasp of who stands to get what in a transaction. I hope you dont do business for a living or you'll starve to death mate.

On the issue of 'prolonging' BK's stay after resorting to a rights issue (a proposition I dont agree with in any case): what would be the fundamental problem there? He's not selling up full stop, and at least getting a few million in to give to the manager (or increase capacity) would offer some hope where we have absolutely none now.

Now put your own lightbulb on. Lol!

 

[sirblue57]

my god, theres some very short sighted individuals here, football as a sport, died with the football league and the 12 original members, when you involve money, sport is moot.people stopped playing for the pure love of the game at that time. all sky did was up the ante to a new level, when i hear players saying they want champions league football it makes me sick, what they mean is they want champions league WAGES, end of. i wish we could cut through the hypocrisy of sport, but we cannot. its why FIFA is corrupt for the forseeable future, MONEY. you want sport to be about sport? pay them all the same, simple. but not a cat inhells chance of it happening. when was the last club to put its supporters before corperate sponsors? look at at sky, the most corrupting piece in the football world, how many of you have it? how many would give it up, if it meant a more level playing field? we are all hypocrites really. we want whats best for our team, but will not do without our percieved luxuries to achieve it. its like our motto, when, in the last few years has it been lived up to?the cup final? the semi? 95? the fact is its just a memento froman era gone by, never to return. WHY, because we the fans let it slip, in our haste to support our team in the new league, to watch football at home, we expanded our horizons, and lowered our standards. its our fault, just accept it.

 

[BlackToffee]

Laughing at this. You went from inflating your own mathematical and business skills in reltion to my 'inability to understand', to agreeing with my fundamental point. I'm not a great business mind but I have a layman's grasp of who stands to get what in a transaction. I hope you dont do business for a living or you'll starve to death mate.

On the issue of 'prolonging' BK's stay after resorting to a rights issue (a proposition I dont agree with in any case): what would be the fundamental problem there? He's not selling up full stop, and at least getting a few million in to give to the manager (or increase capacity) would offer some hope where we have absolutely none now.

Now put your own lightbulb on. Lol!

Your problem is that you only read up to the point that you agree with and discount all other considerations. A share issue simply won't work which is why no other club in the land has been stupid enough to try it. If Everton fans had £40m or so, they'd be better off making an officer to buy out the board rather than a failed investment which is likely to lose them money big time. But its nice to know that you don't really care about those fans as you've not even mentioned the second part of my argument.

 

[SweetJesus849]

Oh wow.

I just think we can win with what we've got, and what we can continue to develop through our academy. It's far cheaper and the results can be far more productive than signing every sod under the sun, which is what everyone seems to want to do. Even if we have to sell someone such as Rodwell, for the greater good of this team, and reinvest that money elsewhere. I'd do that in a heartbeat, not selling Rodwell, but build a team through an academy with a few acquisitions on the cheap that can still contribute.

Although, someone once said "you never win anything with kids."

 

[Chang Elephant]

Oh wow.

I just think we can win with what we've got, and what we can continue to develop through our academy. It's far cheaper and the results can be far more productive than signing every sod under the sun, which is what everyone seems to want to do. Even if we have to sell someone such as Rodwell, for the greater good of this team, and reinvest that money elsewhere. I'd do that in a heartbeat, not selling Rodwell, but build a team through an academy with a few acquisitions on the cheap that can still contribute.

Yesterday:

"Selling our best or better players may not be what some people want to do, but I think it may just be the only way to go."

Now it's just Rodwell.

Why is it that Kenwrighters can't maintain a coherent argument or thought process ?