The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Matt Damon]

They're liars. Pure and simple. They treat Evertonians as mugs. Some people respect them for it. Go figure.

Misdirection can be something that's necessary in business. When negotiating you don't tell the other side exactly what you're prepared to pay for example.


But when you start misdirecting your customers, then that's not something that should be happening. It always has damaging consequences.

 

[davek]

Misdirection can be something that's necessary in business. When negotiating you don't tell the other side exactly what you're prepared to pay for example.


But when you start misdirecting your customers, then that's not something that should be happening. It always has damaging consequences.

That's what I said: they're liars.

 

[BlackToffee]

but some don't debate, just come and whine about the thread. and i understand him not being rich enough, thats NOT my point, its his total lack of ANY business sense that galls me, eleven years and we're still treading water. what does that tell you? to me, it means he is living the dream, the one that most evertonians want. i really don't have a problem with that. but for me, he has had his moment in the sun, and achieved little. now lets get someone in who CAN take the club forward..
there are a lot of supporters calling for a change in manager, after 9 years without a trophy,yet seem content with a total lack of direction and leadership from the boardroom. for those old enough to remember when our board was ruthless and ambitious,"taxi for kenwright"

I think you mistake moaning for action and assume that those who uderstand where the board is at are comfortable with the status quo. I for one have debated on this board. But any success I try and point out is immediately dismissed. I raised the issue of the food award. Well, I remember not too long ago someone on another board posting a picture of some discusting faire served up to Evertonians who paid top whack for crap food. No doubt if you'd seen the picture, you'd be the first to add another variety to your 57 "why I hate the board" variety. I thing its therefore legitimate to show how the board have turned things around.

Again for my part I've

1/ Posted a thread on 8 Everton forums debating suggestions for change
2/ I'm currently working on an interview which will hopefully help fellow Evertonians gain a better understanding of Kitbag, our commericial arm
3/ I've posted 3 suggestions for action on this thread, which were dismissed by you
4/ I've supported the scarf protest, but not the current design which I believe demeans Evertonians
5/ I hope to work on another project which will help this debate move forward (and no, can't say more at the moment)
6/ I'm in broad support of the Keioc football quarter, but believe that they should come out with some costings and that the Council, to make it work needs to make the area a regeneration area.

The point I'm making is that I'm not a moaning Ninja Keyboard Warrior. I'm not complacent, I want change, but I want us to discus change. I want the thread to continue, but I want it to elevate the level of discussion from moan to discussing positive action.

We could start by trying to have a comon agreement both pro and anti on the reality of our situation, but unless we talk solutions, i'd rather this thread be left as a moanfest for the anti board contingent.

 

[Matt Damon]

That's what I said: they're liars.

Misdirection is not the same as lying.

Although the retraction of Elstone of "no one's interested" certainly indicated just how close to the wind they were sailing....

 

[chicoazul]

There is a certain apathy towards it all from a lot of blues. Finishing seventh on the end saved a lot of deal from hitting the fan this summer, the board must be delighted the beauts.

I think that things will kick off a bit if our net spending is in a minus figure by Sep 1st. They need to sell up and no mistake.

Problem is that there is seemingly no buyer, which is the real problem.


So you have three options. Accept how things are, put your ill feeling to good use by joining someone who's trying to do something about it like E4C or rage about it incessantly online.

 

[best little spaniard]

*FUUMMMMEEEEEE*

 

[MapleLeafEvertonian]

There is a certain apathy towards it all from a lot of blues. Finishing seventh on the end saved a lot of deal from hitting the fan this summer, the board must be delighted the beauts.

I think that things will kick off a bit if our net spending is in a minus figure by Sep 1st. They need to sell up and no mistake.

Problem is that there is seemingly no buyer, which is the real problem.


So you have three options. Accept how things are, put your ill feeling to good use by joining someone who's trying to do something about it like E4C or rage about it incessantly online.

Bingo!

 

[Xavi]

The problem is Xavi, that hiring a company to do that costs a lot of money. They're consultants. They'd be demanding a big wedge.

And they often want paying even when they're unsuccessful. Its not something that would have guaranteed success.

And you honestly believe that ??? No one would ever get anywhere in life Matt , Speculate to accumulate and all that , where best all just to completely give up now then hey???, Liverpool done it from a worse situation and have came out smelling of roses , days from signing Downing and Charlie Adam , if your view was correct there would never ever have been any such thing as a property developer , you have to take risks to reap the bigger profits , we have no choice we need to hire someone because if Moyes ever walked away you would see it swing from I'd say 50/50 to 80/20 in favour of wanting Kenwright out and starting big protests , the fact he's still manager stops alot of this IMO, the **** will well and truely hit the fan the day he resigns(Moyes)

 

[formerly manx toffee]

The problem is Xavi.

A touch harsh on the lad. Barcelona have generally been viewed as a team that likes to play good football. To pick on one midfielder from Spain and lay all our boardroom issues on him may be seen by some as petty.

Anyway, carry on wittering.

 

[chicoazul]

And you honestly believe that ??? No one would ever get anywhere in life Matt , Speculate to accumulate and all that , where best all just to completely give up now then hey???, Liverpool done it from a worse situation and have came out smelling of roses , days from signing Downing and Charlie Adam , if your view was correct there would never ever have been any such thing as a property developer , you have to take risks to reap the bigger profits , we have no choice we need to hire someone because if Moyes ever walked away you would see it swing from I'd say 50/50 to 80/20 in favour of wanting Kenwright out and starting big protests , the fact he's still manager stops alot of this IMO, the **** will well and truely hit the fan the day he resigns(Moyes)

Speculate to accumulate is s throw away line. In our current financial position, to spunk a load of money to try and join the top four would be commercial suicide and likely have extreme consequences for Everton long term.

 

[Matt Damon]

And you honestly believe that ??? No one would ever get anywhere in life Matt , Speculate to accumulate and all that , where best all just to completely give up now then hey???, Liverpool done it from a worse situation and have came out smelling of roses , days from signing Downing and Charlie Adam , if your view was correct there would never ever have been any such thing as a property developer , you have to take risks to reap the bigger profits , we have no choice we need to hire someone because if Moyes ever walked away you would see it swing from I'd say 50/50 to 80/20 in favour of wanting Kenwright out and starting big protests , the fact he's still manager stops alot of this IMO, the **** will well and truely hit the fan the day he resigns(Moyes)

Its alright saying "take risks" when it's not your money.

And yes, I honestly do believe that consultants want to be paid if they're involved in selling of football clubs.

Refer back to Keith Harris threatening Birmingham City for unpaid fees of£2.2million

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/6270609/Birmingham-City-adviser-sues-club-for-unpaid-fees.html

Its not a case of belief. Its fact.


And your comparison with the RS is farcical too. They need an overhaul and MUST spend in order to stop any further slump. They're spending their next three years of budget this year.

And they're also agreeing mainly part cash - upfront and remainder add ons (on performance)

That says alot too. It says that they're not prepared to take the risks they previously did on transfers!

 

[Xavi]

Speculate to accumulate is s throw away line. In our current financial position, to spunk a load of money to try and join the top four would be commercial suicide and likely have extreme consequences for Everton long term.

Chico that's where me and you differ in life mate iam 28 years of age and I've seen Everton win a FA cup in 95 that's all , I would sooner rather see the board higher people and try to bring someone in capable of giving Moyes the money to compete for Trophies but risk it back firing rather than stagnating every year and be 78 years of age and never ever see my team win any silverwear , if not why even go the match ???? I don't go for the sake of saying iam an Everton fan , I go hoping to be entertained with good football and hopefully at the end of the season be in contention for a trophy ( atleast FAcup , carling cup), if we don't speculate I may aswell stop going which Id be gutted about

 

[Xavi]

Its alright saying "take risks" when it's not your money.

And yes, I honestly do believe that consultants want to be paid if they're involved in selling of football clubs.

Refer back to Keith Harris threatening Birmingham City for unpaid fees of£2.2million

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/6270609/Birmingham-City-adviser-sues-club-for-unpaid-fees.html

Its not a case of belief. Its fact.


And your comparison with the RS is farcical too. They need an overhaul and MUST spend in order to stop any further slump. They're spending their next three years of budget this year.

And they're also agreeing mainly part cash - upfront and remainder add ons (on performance)

That says alot too. It says that they're not prepared to take the risks they previously did on transfers!

Can I ask you an ( honest question) how in the name of god do you know there spending the next 3 years of budget ??????????? Can I answer the question for you there's no way in a million planets you would know , so if Liverpool finish 3rd next season they won't spend any money next summer ????? Could not disagree more TBH

 

[kenada_blue]

Speculate to accumulate is s throw away line. In our current financial position, to spunk a load of money to try and join the top four would be commercial suicide and likely have extreme consequences for Everton long term.

But the club could've made calculated risks in transfer windows.

A bigger up front payment could've seen the Mout here.

London Donovan would've been repaid in merchandise and usa exposure.

spent nothing after the facup final

None of the rich board can stump up 10million for 1 season to trust Moyes with it that could possibly extend a cup run, higher league place, Europe spot etc.

Speculate to accumulate is poor...but taking up options when they arise is another thing they could've done.

 

[Matt Damon]

Can I ask you an ( honest question) how in the name of god do you know there spending the next 3 years of budget ??????????? Can I answer the question for you there's no way in a million planets you would know , so if Liverpool finish 3rd next season they won't spend any money next summer ????? Could not disagree more TBH

Because you merely have to look at their books and see their turnover relative to wages. The fact they've had no champions league for two years.

And then there's the club licencing rules.

Its not rocket science.