The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[billycopper]

Based on one game against a lower league team. The preparation was going grand last season as well until we played anyone decent. I applaud and agree with your optimism regarding the current squad, but the problem remains that we have no strength in depth. We don't have to blow £80m on overpriced players like the RS have done, but a reasonable amount of money invested properly would make all the difference. It's not just those above and around us in the league, it's those below that are strengthening, and our task each season is getting ever more difficult. Anyone who gets complacent about the current position i.e. 'we'll be up there again like we always are' is a fool. It's not being a doom merchant but being realistic to say that if something is not done soon regarding our financial position, we will only go in one direction. And it's not forward.

Based on having the reserves and academy with the first team squad in Austria to help fast-players through, sending an U21 side to Russia for further experience and having a schedule full of much better opposition than we have previously lined up.

We haven't got money to spend and no amount of protests will magic up a billionaire. We have to look at other ways of doing things to give us an edge. Hopefully Gueye, Silva, Vellios, Duffy, Mustafi, Baxter, Wallace and Barkley will help to swell the ranks this season. I know they're not experienced but we can't even afford the wages of bosmans to fill out the squad, so we're just going to have to work with it.

 

[Hibbert&Ernie]

OMG words fail me.



Once again......

Put the crack pipe down.....

You want a turn? Anything away from the belt on your arms and the train tracks huh.

 

[The Equaliser]

Based on having a schedule full of much better opposition than we have previously lined up.

Well lets hope so, we'll see in a month's time

no amount of protests will magic up a billionaire.

No they won't. But they might go some way towards forcing the board to shift from it's present position of doing nothing to resolve the present impasse.

we're just going to have to work with it.

Yes, as we have done for the last however many seasons. But this can't go on forever you know...

For the moment we can hopefully rely on what is coming through to 'give us an edge', but we need a board with a visionary strategy for the long term.

 

[billycopper]

For the moment we can hopefully rely on what is coming through to 'give us an edge', but we need a board with a visionary strategy for the long term.

Alright we've got no money but, unless we had fortunes to spend, I don't think a Stoke or Fulham size budget is going to have much impact on our league standing. I'm hoping that each year that we don't spend we edge closer to financial sustainability. We can't simply not spend forever more. If it is then a temporary measure, I'm happy to focus on youth to tide us over. Redknapp has repeatedly said that Spurs can't buy without selling. They don't have the youth structure that we've got (I can only really think of Danny Rose coming through), so we should start making ground on them, right?

 

[davek]

One of the big problems we face is we have a bunch of younger fans who think it's cool to be pluckily punching above our weight, whereas guys my age remember us being champions and described by Austrian legend Hans Krankl as the best side in Europe. To the former, Kenwright may be doing okay; to the latter, he deserves to be taken out and horse-whipped around the streets of Liverpool.

Defo part of the problem that.

 

[Chang Elephant]

One of the big problems we face is we have a bunch of younger fans who think it's cool to be pluckily punching above our weight, whereas guys my age remember us being champions and described by Austrian legend Hans Krankl as the best side in Europe. To the former, Kenwright may be doing okay; to the latter, he deserves to be taken out and horse-whipped around the streets of Liverpool.

Or something he wouldn't enjoy.

 

[davek]

Robert Elstone:
"And commercial weakness? When I joined six years ago, we had a retail operation losing £500,000 per season and a main sponsor deal with Chang earning the Club around £1m per season. We had a relatively modest ‘family' of second-tier partners. Rolling forward to 2011/12, we are entering into year three of a ten year detail with Kitbag that has transformed a loss of £500,000 into £30m+ of profit over a ten year period, we will move into the eighth year of our Chang partnership valued at around £10m over the next three year term, and have secured lucrative deals on betting, travel partner, our credit card and others, without forgetting to mention last summer's £1m trip to Australia. And a small point of detail, almost every other Club records retail turnover in its income line. Everton doesn't, it records the guaranteed profit from Kitbag. Our £80m turnover would be higher if we mirrored the rest of the Premier League (likewise, our wage turnover ratio would be better)."

[/B]

thought that was a interesting read to there made. Not sure what to make off it all as i am not financially savvy and do not know what it means in the grand scheme of things

Commercial performance (per annum) 2005<----------->2011

2005

• Sponsorship, Advertising
• Merchandising, Catering
• Other Commercial Activities

£13.6

2011

• Sponsorship, Advertising, Merchandising
• Catering
• Other Commercial Activities

£9.6M

If we put back in the retail turnover figure Elstone points out is omitted from revenue calculations because they now just record retail profit ("net amounts received from the sub-contractors" - the cut they get from actual sales with Kitbag), that'd be the £3M lump sum they receive p.a. off Kitbag that's left off the balance sheet (and also, because it applies to catering, another, say £2M lump sum they get off Sodexo), then that leaves us barely a million quid up on the overall commercial revenue the club were pulling in when Elstone 'joined six years ago'.

Good going Bob.

 

[The Equaliser]

Alright we've got no money but, unless we had fortunes to spend, I don't think a Stoke or Fulham size budget is going to have much impact on our league standing. I'm hoping that each year that we don't spend we edge closer to financial sustainability. We can't simply not spend forever more. If it is then a temporary measure, I'm happy to focus on youth to tide us over. Redknapp has repeatedly said that Spurs can't buy without selling. They don't have the youth structure that we've got (I can only really think of Danny Rose coming through), so we should start making ground on them, right?

So are we all but the signs aren't good with the banks getting twitchy etc. It has more of a ring of permanency about it until something is done re investment.

 

[sirblue57]

The three words I have for you rhyme with the following.
Go tuck yourself in.

succinct as usual, if you don't agree try debating, and leave the snide comments . its easy to deride without backing it up.

 

[Bigmaclad]

Yet another thread on the board, stick it in the Kenwright thread.

 

[billycopper]

So are we all but the signs aren't good with the banks getting twitchy etc. It has more of a ring of permanency about it until something is done re investment.

It's a strange one. I can't think of another club in Premiership history who just doesn't spend.

 

[The Equaliser]

It's a strange one. I can't think of another club in Premiership history who just doesn't spend.

Neither can I.

 

[trigger the blue]

but its good to see a journalist actually GET IT, pity some of our own fans don't.

a red journo aswell! He's got it spot on!

 

[ijjysmith]

@ThePeoplesGroup just tweeted this:

Moyes to members of keioc at bury “no players coming in no players going out, we've got no money” asked about Nzogbia he said “I wish!”
web • 17/07/2011 22:48

If this is true you have to ask what motivates the man. I'd have walked ages ago.

 

[RFUS]

@ThePeoplesGroup just tweeted this:

Moyes to members of keioc at bury “no players coming in no players going out, we've got no money” asked about Nzogbia he said “I wish!”
web • 17/07/2011 22:48

If this is true you have to ask what motivates the man. I'd have walked ages ago.

If indeed.

I don't trust anything I hear off twitter. And the whole Moyes/Villa fiasco should be all the provenance you need to explain why that is.