The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Slavan]

foot long hot dog

you may be a Kenwright denier, that is your choice and I respect it.
But to blatantly refuse to accept the accounts the club publish only show headline figures is wrong, its a fact. There is no meat on the bones of what they publish.
The question you should be asking is, why should they go into detail? What right do fans have to see detailed accounts? Why should a fan care? Is there not commercial sensitivities to take into account?

Bill Kenwrights time at Everton has been awful off the field, from one financial mess to another.
Silly old Bill.

p.s. he is a good blue.
p.p.s. cause he said so himself.

 

[steken1]

I'm far from convinced bill is an evil money grabber intent of damaging the club but personally I think some of his associations and business ideals that may or may not have the best interests of the club leave a bit to be desired. I'd hope everyone associated with the club had our best interests at heart but all we can do is speculate .

The problem for me is when judging football business and dealings it's often hard for it not to look a 'bit iffy' even when it isn't . For example I do have concerns about rumours that abound about Green's association with the club especially when looked at with rumours of Green's association with piña zahavi and the dealings of that agent with the yakubu & bilyaletdinov transfers and perhaps a view that everton paid at the top end for those deals ?

The above are just rumours I've heard more than once but there are rumours about loans at prohibitively high interest rates and more. I don't necessarily always think the worst of kenwright although I can see why others find themselves in the more distinct camps but a lack of transparency is always likely to cause speculation and concern amongst the fanbase.

Sheeds,

My own take on it is quite similar.

I think Bill didn't trust Gregg with the future of the club and outmanouvred him partly for that reason and also because being the Chair/Owner of EFC and leading them to glory is what we all fantasise about on a daily basis, including him.

To do what he needed to do and push forward he's had to get into bed with characters that can buy and sell him all night long, and they have, and he knows it. The relief on his kite when Kirkby was thrown out was as clear as day.

It's my own opinion that he ceded real control of the club quite some time ago.

I think he would be more than happy to make a right few quid out of any sale but probably not half as much as A.N.others are looking for. I don't think the price is dropping because the club is a useful tool to form relationships with other companies I.e. Sodehxo, Kitbag and the like.

IMO he's stuck between a rock and a hard place with no real way to relinquish his position until others allow him to.

 

[Slavan]

If he resgned, it would force peoples hands.

He wont, because his ego is to big. Being chairman feeds his ego.

 

[steken1]

Your point about the mis-managing of a business stream being part of a 'plan' to then outsource that area for personal gain, is tin foil hat, alehouse nonsense.

I wasn't talking about civil law btw, I was talking about criminal law.

So to the crux of what forms your view is "human nature"? So the availability of funds automatically creates a desire for millionaires to break the law in order to line their own pockets with some invoicing or other equally snide scam? So this happens at every company in your world does it mate?

Brilliant stuff.

Are you suggesting things of that nature haven't happened at SME's with turnovers similar to ours? It was one basic example of how something could happen.

I was aware that you were talking about criminal law, who do you suggest would report this crime considering the info is sketchy at best with regards to our finances?

I didn't suggest everybody would be overcome with a desire to steal, mismanage but a percentage will, without doubt.

 

[Ratkiller]

I'm far from convinced bill is an evil money grabber intent of damaging the club but personally I think some of his associations and business ideals that may or may not have the best interests of the club leave a bit to be desired. I'd hope everyone associated with the club had our best interests at heart but all we can do is speculate .

The problem for me is when judging football business and dealings it's often hard for it not to look a 'bit iffy' even when it isn't . For example I do have concerns about rumours that abound about Green's association with the club especially when looked at with rumours of Green's association with piña zahavi and the dealings of that agent with the yakubu & bilyaletdinov transfers and perhaps a view that everton paid at the top end for those deals ?

The above are just rumours I've heard more than once but there are rumours about loans at prohibitively high interest rates and more. I don't necessarily always think the worst of kenwright although I can see why others find themselves in the more distinct camps but a lack of transparency is always likely to cause speculation and concern amongst the fanbase.

Green's involvement in our club is another grey area. He paid for the shares that are in Robert Earls name.

And Robert Earl seemed to be the one in charge of the Kirkby deal. He was certainly the person Knowsley council were dealing with.

And both Earl and Green seemed quite concerned when Keith Wyness left Everton.

Seems very strange to me.

And since we've been talking a lot about accounts on this thread I wonder how much the accounts of top shop/arcadian show as payments to Phillip Green.

 

[mpatton]

I'm surprised about some of the fans obsessions with Philip Green. I am a great fan of Bill Kenwrights. He is a fan first and he does care about the club. The one thing Bill isn;t is a billionaire and the worlds smartest businessman, however we're fortunate that he does have access to the people like Philip Green who is a genius of a businessman without question. Somebody made a comment here about our debts and the rate of interest associatated with the loans. I'm absolutely gobsmacked that we can even get a loan considering that as a business, we are not financially sound. Even wonga.com would give us a swerve.

If we can finish 4th and get teh extra money associated with that plus the extra tv money plus the kitbag money etc etc there is a remote chance that we may breakeven at best.

God help us if Moyes doesn't sign a new contract.

 

[nigelcoyb]

I'm surprised about some of the fans obsessions with Philip Green. I am a great fan of Bill Kenwrights. He is a fan first and he does care about the club. The one thing Bill isn;t is a billionaire and the worlds smartest businessman, however we're fortunate that he does have access to the people like Philip Green who is a genius of a businessman without question. Somebody made a comment here about our debts and the rate of interest associatated with the loans. I'm absolutely gobsmacked that we can even get a loan considering that as a business, we are not financially sound. Even wonga.com would give us a swerve.

If we can finish 4th and get teh extra money associated with that plus the extra tv money plus the kitbag money etc etc there is a remote chance that we may breakeven at best.

God help us if Moyes doesn't sign a new contract.

You've answered your first question with your acclamation of Green as highlighted.

Being a businessman of his stature means "quid pro quo" is his M.O, so what does he get? - free tickets to "Joseph and his Technicolor Dreamcoat" and a stroke of Jenny's [Poor language removed]?

 

[Chang Elephant]

I'm surprised about some of the fans obsessions with Philip Green. I am a great fan of Bill Kenwrights. He is a fan first and he does care about the club. The one thing Bill isn;t is a billionaire and the worlds smartest businessman, however we're fortunate that he does have access to the people like Philip Green who is a genius of a businessman without question.

FFS

Why pretend to be surprised about fans interest ("obsession") wth Philip Green ? His involvement with the club is documented over years, in negotiating the Rooney deal, in financing Earl's share purchase, and in summoning Wyness to his yacht for the sack. We're not ****ing braindead, we'd like some clarity.

His business genius is basic ruthlessness. He will not be seeing Everton FC as some charitable cause and we're defo not fortunate to have him involved. But you know that.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

I'm surprised about some of the fans obsessions with Philip Green. I am a great fan of Bill Kenwrights. He is a fan first and he does care about the club. The one thing Bill isn;t is a billionaire and the worlds smartest businessman, however we're fortunate that he does have access to the people like Philip Green who is a genius of a businessman without question. Somebody made a comment here about our debts and the rate of interest associatated with the loans. I'm absolutely gobsmacked that we can even get a loan considering that as a business, we are not financially sound. Even wonga.com would give us a swerve.

If we can finish 4th and get teh extra money associated with that plus the extra tv money plus the kitbag money etc etc there is a remote chance that we may breakeven at best.

God help us if Moyes doesn't sign a new contract.

im utterly gob smacked by that statement.

honestly, you need to open your eyes an ears.

When I read stuff like that, I just feel like giving up.....

but your entitled to your opinion.

 

[Goat]

im utterly gob smacked by that statement.

honestly, you need to open your eyes an ears.

When I read stuff like that, I just feel like giving up.....

but your entitled to your opinion.

Witch part????

Cos his statement, "God help us if Moyes doesn't sign a new contract.", is so right its unreal.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Witch part????

Cos his statement, "God help us if Moyes doesn't sign a new contract.", is so right its unreal.

not really that bit...

but the rest......wow.

 

[Goat]

not really that bit...

but the rest......wow.

"He is a fan first and he does care about the club."

This bit made me chuckle.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

No I like the bit about how fortunate we are to have access to Phillip Green. I mean all the loans and extortionate rates.....

lucky [Poor language removed]!!!!

 

[Sharpys top lip]

How fortunate we are....

 

[Essex Blue]

I'm surprised about some of the fans obsessions with Philip Green. I am a great fan of Bill Kenwrights. He is a fan first and he does care about the club. The one thing Bill isn;t is a billionaire and the worlds smartest businessman, however we're fortunate that he does have access to the people like Philip Green who is a genius of a businessman without question. Somebody made a comment here about our debts and the rate of interest associatated with the loans. I'm absolutely gobsmacked that we can even get a loan considering that as a business, we are not financially sound. Even wonga.com would give us a swerve.

If we can finish 4th and get teh extra money associated with that plus the extra tv money plus the kitbag money etc etc there is a remote chance that we may breakeven at best.

God help us if Moyes doesn't sign a new contract.

The loans are being provided by Earle/Green, and they are the ones setting the interest rates, which isn't an awful lot different to having your own company buy 100,000 biros at 10 pound each from another company that you are 'close' to.

The idea that every single business has been prevented from diverting cash from one business to another just because it wouldn't be in the best interest of the shareholders is naive in the extreme. Just because it is contrary to company law, doesn't mean this type of thing doesn't happen year in year out by thousands of different businesses throughout the country.

In fact it would be interesting to see how many prosecutions the CPS have brought forward for this type of 'crime'? And I don't think a small number of prosecutions would be an indicator of it not happening at all. It's just one of the many criminal laws that are broken by thousands of people every day without people giving too much of a sh*t about it.

The fact that we don't even know who owns a third of our shares (they're registered to some random company in the British Virgin Islands) isn't irrelevant at all, it shows that the people in charge know exactly what they are doing when it comes to shady business practices.

One other thing, I don't think our credit rating is that bad, we have never missed a repayment and we have a load of new revenue on its way, so our credit rating should be decent IMO.