The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Dell Boy]

Have missed a few pages here. Has anyone been able to confirm whether other clubs detail their 'other operating costs'?

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Not sure what a Kenwright denier actually is, but if you mean that I'm some sort of supporter of Kenwright, then you're way wide of the mark. My personal opinion of the man is irrelevant to the debate, but seeing as you've come to conclusion that I'm backing the man's tenure here, then I'll give you my view.

Kenwright should never have taken the reigns at Goodison, he's never had the financial muscle to own a PL club. He was driven by his 'dream' & that dream came to fruition, a fact I've no doubt he's extremely proud of. However, his lack of liquid cash & his need to find a investor 'partner' when his relationship with Gregg died, has lead him to make some decisions that were more about him being able to retain his status as Chairman of EFC, rather than what was maybe best for both the business & the long term future of the football club. In short, he's been out of his depth since the day he took over.

None of which makes him a horror who should be despised imo, but he's a man who needs to understand that he's holding back the very thing he holds so dear. I fear this is being exacerbated by the fact that the 'bed fellows' that assisted him to secure his tenure, have no interest in the football club & are merely seeking the maximum return on their investment. Which has left us in limbo, as there's patently no-one out there who's prepared to pay the asking price, the asking price of the business is the key issue as far as I'm concerned.

So back to this thread. There's a lack of perspective amongst some of our fanbase when it comes to anything board or Kenwright related imo, that probably dates back to the Kirkby debacle, when lines were drawn & trenches were dug. As a result there's a seeming eagerness to look for the negative in any club related issue, which to a degree I understand due to mistrust etc, however, the board aren't the football club & I think the desire to find the 'downside' is paramount is some Blues minds these days.

The reason I stepped in to challenge those who were intimating that the OOC's were potentially hiding something sinister, is that they were floating the idea that a serious fraud is taking place, with nothing to back it up, which to me is bang out of order. There's a massive difference between a call for clarity around the numbers (which I support) & then taking that a step further & intimating foul play. My personal position in life makes this a subject that I find beyond gauling, as libelling someone in that nature is totally wrong in my book.

In regards to the clarity asked for, lets be right here, even if they did offer a further level of detail, it would be pawed over by some who still wouldn't be satisfied & would want look to criticise everything from their chosen gas tariff to the price paid for bog rolls. So to a point I can understand if there's some reticence to offer it.

TBF to you, that's very well put, an I agree with 90% of that. Just just missed out on one thing......

the blatant lies....

Ring fenced

NTL

sports fund

Rooney deal

deal of the century it go's on an on an on an on...

not to forget losing the kings dock because he didn't want to give power to Gregg.

his train set, he's keeping it, no matter what....

Top Evertonian.... F*** off

 

[Slavan]

Yes, he begged & borrowed to buy his Ferrari, but could barely afford the petrol costs, he's managed to borrow a bit more & get it serviced every now & again, but it's starting to get a bit rusty round the edges now, & there's no way on Earth he can afford a respray.

you forgot to mention he sold of the spare tyre, sells of bits of the trim each year to afford the driver, and he has financed the car 10 times over.

 

[Dell Boy]

TBF to you, that's very well put, an I agree with 90% of that. Just just missed out on one thing......

the blatant lies....

Ring fenced

NTL

sports fund

Rooney deal

deal of the century it go's on an on an on an on...

not to forget losing the kings dock because he didn't want to give power to Gregg.

his train set, he's keeping it, no matter what....

Top Evertonian.... F*** off

If the one in bold is the case then I agree that's a serious **** up. The rest don't stack up for me as serious crimes.

 

[Essex Blue]

If the one in bold is the case then I agree that's a serious **** up. The rest don't stack up for me as serious crimes.

Kirkby and the NTL deal are every bit as bad as the Kings Dock collapse IMO.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

The training ground, FF.

belfield

pulling down the marquee

trying to build on land you don't even own

its on **** up after another.......

 

[Dell Boy]

Kirkby and the NTL deal are every bit as bad as the Kings Dock collapse IMO.

I personally was against Kirkby but didnt a majority of fans support it? The NTL deal was out of Everton's hands if I recall.

 

[Dell Boy]

The training ground, FF.

belfield

pulling down the marquee

trying to build on land you don't even own

its on **** up after another.......

That's way too harsh. Finch Farm/Belfield could be looked at as a perfectly standard sale/leaseback deal that happens all the time.

The Park End jobby they messed up by going public before it was all in place but I don't see that as a huge cock-up.

You'll have to enlighten me on the marquee issue

 

[Essex Blue]

I personally was against Kirkby but didnt a majority of fans support it? The NTL deal was out of Everton's hands if I recall.

No, of those who were able to vote, more people voted in favour of Kirkby than those who voted against. But it wasn't even a majority out of those who were able to vote (those who abstained and voted against were of a greater number than those who voted in favour).

But the vote was made after the club had lied and stated that Tesco were going to contribute 52million pound to the construction of the stadium, which was just an outright lie.

Kenwright got a business loan and spent the cash on the back of getting an NTL deal that never materialised, so I would lay the blame at Kenwright's door for that one.

 

[Dell Boy]

No, of those who were able to vote, more people voted in favour of Kirkby than those who voted against. But it wasn't even a majority out of those who were able to vote (those who abstained and voted against were of a greater number than those who voted in favour).

But the vote was made after the club had lied and stated that Tesco were going to contribute 52million pound to the construction of the stadium, which was just an outright lie.

Kenwright got a business loan and spent the cash on the back of getting an NTL deal that never materialised, so I would lay the blame at Kenwright's door for that one.

I don't want to fall out with a fellow Blue but on your first point - a vote is a vote. Whichever way you spin it, a large number of fans voted in favour. As said before I was dead against it (and voted No) for lots of reasons.

On the Tesco contribution lie, I didnt study the detail at the time, but isn't it the case that some other party - i.e. the owner/developer of the site was putting in cash to this effect (for the wider site at least?).

On the NTL crap that put a number of clubs in the **** so I can't see how it's Bill's fault.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Kenwright got a business loan and spent the cash on the back of getting an NTL deal that never materialised, so I would lay the blame at Kenwright's door for that one.

Nah, NTL went bust mate, you can't blame the man for that.

Yes he did borrow some cash on the strength of it completing, but I've heard many a Blue saying that he should be doing exactly the same thing in January on the strength of the massive hike in TV cash due from Sky in the summer, what's the difference?

The other issues he deserves to carry the can for, but the NTL one is bollocks imo.

 

[D410]

See here is the thing for me, their is no question in my mind that Bill knows he should have sold this club on years ago ! Bill knows full well what the entire world thinks of him still sticking around and holding back the club and yet he still does it !

For me, this is all about Bill and his dreams don,t include you or me because he has chosen to surround himself with people who are "a means to an end" to keep him at the club till his dream plays out.

Once everyone understands that, then you can start to understand your place in Bill Kenwrights Everton. For my part, I stopped going the match when I figured out that the owner and his business associates are not in it for the same reasons that me and my father started going to the game in the first place.

A new generation of fan has been held back because of selfish men.

 

[Essex Blue]

I don't want to fall out with a fellow Blue but on your first point - a vote is a vote. Whichever way you spin it, a large number of fans voted in favour. As said before I was dead against it (and voted No) for lots of reasons.

On the Tesco contribution lie, I didnt study the detail at the time, but isn't it the case that some other party - i.e. the owner/developer of the site was putting in cash to this effect (for the wider site at least?).

On the NTL crap that put a number of clubs in the **** so I can't see how it's Bill's fault.

But in reality a very small percentage of blues voted in favour of the move to Kirkby, it wasn't even a majority of those who were allowed to vote.

No. Everton's proposed new stadium was due to cost 78million pound, and Everton were due to fund EVERY penny of it. No financial assistance in constructing the new stadium was going to be given to Everton. I'm afraid they lied on this one, outright lies to try and make the Kirkby proposal seem more attractive than what it was.

I don't think any club was hit as hard as Everton over NTL. Kenwright decided to take out a massive loan on the back of a deal that hadn't been signed yet, so I can't see how you can blame anyone other than Kenwright for what happened. If he hadn't have taken out the loan then there wouldn't have been a problem.

 

[Essex Blue]

DP DP DP

 

[davek]

Come on davek. A huge retail park proposal such as the cherryfields retail park would have had every large retailer wanting to have a presence of some kind.

Yes, I've lost count of the number of Planet Hollywoods on retail parks next to footy stadiums.

They had their noses ready to stick in that big trough. They were going to get it from everywhere they could: sell on for the club shares they own and a franchise at a brand new PL stadium.

You're pretty naive if you think these sharks aren't into Everton for all they can bleed off the club.