The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[davek]

Easy to critisise the BU for going to print from their interview with the meglomaniac that is William Kenwright, but in fairness to them, what he came out in that interview was totally shocking and needed telling.

The fact that a lot of Evertonians took the hump because their phoney leader had been outed for what he was, for me tells a greater picture of them than anything the BU interviewers uncovered.

100% this.

 

[Tubey]

100% this.

Nah, they acted in an unprofessional manner which completely undermined themselves and any hope the fans had of consistently holding Kenwright accountable in the future.

The Blue Union were thick amateurs really. Don't get me wrong, I applaud the attitude and effort to actually do something, but they needed a level head and some wise PR words before distributing that interview.

 

[Steve Wigan]

The money Lerner put in to Villa is a myth, its a loan from him but at next to no interest.

Low-ish interest but a massive 'administration fee'.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Easy to critisise the BU for going to print from their interview with the meglomaniac that is William Kenwright, but in fairness to them, what he came out in that interview was totally shocking and needed telling.

The fact that a lot of Evertonians took the hump because their phoney leader had been outed for what he was, for me tells a greater picture of them than anything the BU interviewers uncovered.

There was nothing in that interview that 'exposed' anything that was new though was there?

The fact that so many Evertonians didn't like the fact that it was printed verbatim after obviously being recorded, was down to them feeling that tactic was a 'low blow'.

You can spin that fact into 'tells me all I need to know' if you wish, but that's a soundbite that means nothing & avoids having to have any form of reflection on the action that was taken & whether it was both appropriate & in the best interests of the actual stated aim.

 

[edge]

i went on the marches, but thought they handled the interview wrong, the whole point was to put the fans thoughts forward, after that meeting that was a none starter, the clown as well was a mistake, it all could have been handled better

 

[davek]

Nah, they acted in an unprofessional manner which completely undermined themselves and any hope the fans had of consistently holding Kenwright accountable in the future.

The Blue Union were thick amateurs really. Don't get me wrong, I applaud the attitude and effort to actually do something, but they needed a level head and some wise PR words before distributing that interview.

There was the strong whiff of set up about that episode mate. The EFC feller who set it up was, I think, Scott McLeod who was said to have told the BU delegation they could take notes...that was later contradicted by Derek Hatton.

It looked like the interview was that toxic for Bill that they cobbled together a story that the BU had reneged on a prior understanding.

Who would you believe really - the BU or Billy Liar?

 

[davek]

There was nothing in that interview that 'exposed' anything that was new though was there?

The fact that so many Evertonians didn't like the fact that it was printed verbatim after obviously being recorded, was down to them feeling that tactic was a 'low blow'.

You can spin that fact into 'tells me all I need to know' if you wish, but that's a soundbite that means nothing & avoids having to have any form of reflection on the action that was taken & whether it was both appropriate & in the best interests of the actual stated aim.

Well, if you accept it was verbatim, how can you not concede that it threw a window open onto the complete mess this club is in at boardroom and executive level?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Well, if you accept it was verbatim, how can you not concede that it threw a window open onto the complete mess this club is in at boardroom and executive level?

The published sections of it showed Kenwright to be what we've always known he was, a somewhat bumbling luvvie who loves Everton, but hasn't got the money or the ability to facilitate real progress.

If the same interview was the CEO i.e. Elstone, then it'd have been of concern, it opened the window on **** all imo. What it did achieve was ensuring that a door was firmly slammed shut.

 

[Tubey]

There was the strong whiff of set up about that episode mate. The EFC feller who set it up was, I think, Scott McLeod who was said to have told the BU delegation they could take notes...that was later contradicted by Derek Hatton.

It looked like the interview was that toxic for Bill that they cobbled together a story that the BU had reneged on a prior understanding.

Who would you believe really - the BU or Billy Liar?

Neither to be honest. All I know is that when the BU had that information they could have been a lot cuter about using it than they were if they had sat back for a few days and consulted some cooler heads about it.

They gave Kenwright etc. the ammunition to label them as rank amateurs and a bunch of arses.

If Kenwright is inept - which I believe he is - then the Blue Union are even more inept as Kenwright was able to spin them into the ground over that issue.

Amateurs all over the place basically.

 

[By god I'm blue]

Nah, they acted in an unprofessional manner which completely undermined themselves and any hope the fans had of consistently holding Kenwright accountable in the future.

The Blue Union were thick amateurs really. Don't get me wrong, I applaud the attitude and effort to actually do something, but they needed a level head and some wise PR words before distributing that interview.

I was a tad more concerned that Kenwright had acted the way he did, and what he came out with as opposed to anything the BU did afterwards.

It's a bit like.....say for instance someone was thieving off you (this is an attempt at an analogy) and they were a family member. I as a friend outed them to you, and found their behaviour shocking and told other people about it....you as the person who had been robbed then taking the hump with me only and actually forgetting the main issue here being that someone has been taking the piss out of you and robbing you blind!

 

[davek]

The published sections of it showed Kenwright to be what we've always known he was, a somewhat bumbling luvvie who loves Everton, but hasn't got the money or the ability to facilitate real progress.

No, it didn't just do that. It revealed more than amateurism. It revealed the hopelessness of our position in the present under BK and just how lacking in seriousness he and his board are in moving us forward with structural reforms. We were exposed as a moribund organisation. That's why the club PR men who's responsibility it is to keep the plates spinning went berserk and set the media dogs on those who dared to speak truth to power.

If the same interview was the CEO i.e. Elstone, then it'd have been of concern, it opened the window on **** all imo. What it did achieve was ensuring that a door was firmly slammed shut.

Well, the reason Ian Ross was let go was because his emails revealed exactly that: a man who's at best a club secretary incapable of the type of gumption to conjur opportunities for us and lacking the gravitas to challenge the complacency of the majority owners.

There's no way around this: by hook or by crook supporters have prised back the lid of the tin on Everton and shown the maggot content for all the world to see.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Well, the reason Ian Ross was let go was because his emails revealed exactly that: a man who's at best a club secretary incapable of the type of gumption to conjur opportunities for us and lacking the gravitas to challenge the complacency of the majority owners.

There's no way around this: by hook or by crook supporters have prised back the lid of the tin on Everton and shown the maggot content for all the world to see.

haha, that patron of truth Ian Ross's words being used as if they are now totally credible, how ironic.

He patently had an agenda when it came to Elstone. ****ging off the CEO on internal e-mails shows that he was a rank amateur with an axe to grind.

Simple question - if your assumption is correct & this interview was such a revelation & opened pandoras box - then why did support for the BU not rocket after the 'expose'????

 

[davek]

haha, that patron of truth Ian Ross's words being used as if they are now totally credible, how ironic.

There's no pleasing you is there? You said it'd be more damaging if the CEO was shown up to be incompetent, but when you have the words of someone on the inside who worked with him to that effect it becomes inadmissible as evidence. Elstone was Wyness' assistant and everything he's done so far underlines Ross' point he isn't able to get the job done as the chief exec.: from Kirkby to the annexe to kitbag to an appalling set of commercial performance figures.

Simple question - if your assumption is correct & this interview was such a revelation & opened pandoras box - then why did support for the BU not rocket after the 'expose'????

Because:

a) there was a big media blitz against the organisation (including, shamefully, the joining in on that of the manager)
b ) there was a big upturn of form on the pitch from the second half of last season to the present. Fans are fickle. No surprises there.

 

[steken1]

The BU have no credibility left IMO and they have done massive damage to anybody who'd genuinely like to set something up to show dissatisfaction with the way the club is ran.

That said they where thoroughly outmanouvred by the board who played them like puppets. It was over for them when they cancelled the march that in all probability would have seen the critical mass needed to make a real statement and get the fence sitters to come on board.

The best thing they can now do for EFC and it's supporters is disband cut the social media offerings and leave KEIOC to get back to prominence.

Edit - Thier love of the club was used against them as they were told a serious takeover was in the offing and that the march would have damaged it no end. The emotional blackmail worked a treat and they cancelled, going against thier own motto's and mission statement. It was a massive error to trust Kenwright and co after the FSF stunt and logically native's getting restless would only really help speed a takeover.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Because:

a) there was a big media blitz against the organisation (including, shamefully, the joining in on that of the manager)
b ) there was a big upturn of form on the pitch from the second half of last season to the present. Fans are fickle. No surprises there.

Dave I was referring to your use of Ross's opinion, (a man who I doubt you'd piss on if he was on fire) as being somehow indisputeable evidence. You can't use a man who you've called a **** for years & expect to be seen as credible do you?

As for the BU, so the complete lack of incremental support for the BU after the first march - depsite the massive revelations supposedly 'exposed' in the interview, was soleydown to performances on the pitch & the media?

If the BU genuinely believe that, then there's no wonder they've made zero progress.