The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

It was over for them when they cancelled the march that in all probability would have seen the critical mass needed to make a real statement and get the fence sitters to come on board.

The best thing they can now do for EFC and it's supporters is disband cut the social media offerings and leave KEIOC to get back to prominence.

They cancelled the march as they knew that it was going to be extremely poorly supported, they were nowhere near 'critical mass' levels, support for them was low from the off & it had dwindled still further by the time that decision was taken.

As for keioc, the reason that the splinter supporters groups formed was partly because keioc didn't represent the views of the majority of the fanbase.

 

[steken1]

Dave I was referring to your use of Ross's opinion, (a man who I doubt you'd piss on if he was on fire) as being somehow indisputeable evidence. You can't use a man who you've called a **** for years & expect to be seen as credible do you?

As for the BU, so the complete lack of incremental support for the BU after the first march - depsite the massive revelations supposedly 'exposed' in the interview, was soleydown to performances on the pitch & the media?

If the BU genuinely believe that, then there's no wonder they've made zero progress.

I'd disagree with that TBH. The second was a fair bit bigger than the first.

 

[steken1]

They cancelled the march as they knew that it was going to be extremely poorly supported, they were nowhere near 'critical mass' levels, support for them was low from the off & it had dwindled still further by the time that decision was taken.

As for keioc, the reason that the splinter supporters groups formed was partly because keioc didn't represent the views of the majority of the fanbase.

No mate they didn't. They were lied to regarding a takeover. I've had that first hand from BU and Keioc bods.

There was a lot of anger that it was cancelled from BU supporters and it was downhill after that. Up to that point support was growing. For me critical mass would have been round about the 4-5000 mark of match goers. The second march had at least 2500 IMO.

If those splinter groups weren't reperesented by keioc why on earth did they form a union with them? The fact is any tom, dick or harry can start a group on facebook, which is all some of those groups were, and having lads who'd done nothing more than that affected everybody.

You will never get a group to represent the whoile of the fanbase. The SOS didn't speak for the whole of the RS fans by any stretch, They were big enough and loud enough to get a bit of light shed on thier issues. That's all Everton need IMO.

 

[toffee66]

The BU mishandled things politically. That has made it tougher to get change. That is a bad outcome because we have a terrible Board with a figurehead Chairman who is well-intentioned, a genuine fan and utterly without any plan to move the club forward. However, the BU were and are brave enough to try and push the agenda, ask the questions and create some momentum for change. Today they look amateurish and foolish. Perhaps in the not-too-distant future they may look more like prophets? Time will tell but there are serious questions the Board need to answer and fan complacency and infighting is their biggest asset in avoiding the scrutiny they fear.

 

[steken1]

For anyone who forgets this is the vid of the second march. The column went back to the council fields on the same road as the Oak to St luke's.[video=youtube;RjHy17ETXNk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjHy17ETXNk[/video]

 

[davek]

Dave I was referring to your use of Ross's opinion, (a man who I doubt you'd piss on if he was on fire) as being somehow indisputeable evidence. You can't use a man who you've called a **** for years & expect to be seen as credible do you?

As for the BU, so the complete lack of incremental support for the BU after the first march - depsite the massive revelations supposedly 'exposed' in the interview, was soleydown to performances on the pitch & the media?

If the BU genuinely believe that, then there's no wonder they've made zero progress.

There is no contradiction in my use of the Ross emails. He was a hired hand for Kenwright to make his case for him in public - in that respect, yes, he was involved in misleading everyone who supports the club...so no credibility there. Correct. However, in those private exchanges he wasn't posting in that capacity. He was revealing his private thoughts to people he trusted, it wasn't meant for the public domain.

He knew the strengths and weaknesses of people he worked closely with. It's probably fair to say of Ross that he didn't suffer fools gladly...Elstone included.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

No mate they didn't. They were lied to regarding a takeover. I've had that first hand from BU and Keioc bods.

Sorry mate, not doubting what they've told you, but that's not the real reason imo. They knew fine well support would have been lower than it was previously, that was merely a convenient excuse trotted out to cover their blushes (& another excuse to blame the club ), after getting stick from their own for calling it off imo. The official reason they gave was due to the cup run don't forget.

 

[Allezfan]

Sorry mate, not doubting what they've told you, but that's not the real reason imo. They knew fine well support would have been lower than it was previously, that was merely a convenient excuse trotted out to cover their blushes (& another excuse to blame the club ), after getting stick from their own for calling it off imo. The official reason they gave was due to the cup run don't forget.

I am enjoying that both sides of this argument is happy to call the people involved liars based on no evidence at all.

 

[steken1]

Sorry mate, not doubting what they've told you, but that's not the real reason imo. They knew fine well support would have been lower than it was previously, that was merely a convenient excuse trotted out to cover their blushes (& another excuse to blame the club ), after getting stick from their own for calling it off imo. The official reason they gave was due to the cup run don't forget.

They gave the reason they were asked to give by the club as it was all secret and the 'takeover' was at a very delicate stage.

I'd be interested to know how you think they predicted a poor turnout though? How they worked out it was to be poorly attended when the only possible indicator would be a comparison between previous ones which showed a growth?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

They gave the reason they were asked to give by the club as it was all secret and the 'takeover' was at a very delicate stage.

I'd be interested to know how you think they predicted a poor turnout though? How they worked out it was to be poorly attended when the only possible indicator would be a comparison between previous ones which showed a growth?

You'll believe what you want to believe mate & me the same.

I believe, that the fact the team were doing well & there was no real stomach for a protest outside of the 'hardcore' BU support, resulted in the march being cancelled.

 

[steken1]

You'll believe what you want to believe mate & me the same.

I believe, that the fact the team were doing well & there was no real stomach for a protest outside of the 'hardcore' BU support, resulted in the march being cancelled.

Fair enough. Just found it a little odd that you stated it as fact the BU 'knew' they didn't have the support for another march. Glad we could clarify that's just an opinion at odds with the evidence.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Fair enough. Just found it a little odd that you stated it as fact the BU 'knew' they didn't have the support for another march. Glad we could clarify that's just an opinion at odds with the evidence.

Evidence? I must have missed that contribution, what evidence did you produce to back up your opinion???

 

[steken1]

Evidence? I must have missed that contribution, what evidence did you produce to back up your opinion???

First march - wide estimates of round 1000 people. Second march estimates of 2-2500 people. Feel free to have a look at both marches on youtube.

The second is clearly much bigger which shows a trend of growing numbers.

I seriously doubt a cup game the week later would have deterred a large group of Evertonians who had watched thier club systematically dismantled over a decade. Just my opinion that last bit but as you said thier supporters were furious, which included me at the time.

The Ian Ross E-mails also showed the club where deeply paranoid about the BU and thier actions. You'd wonder why if it was obvious they were dying a death?

 

[Allezfan]

Evidence? I must have missed that contribution, what evidence did you produce to back up your opinion???

I think most people would argue that you need more evidence to call someone a liar than you do to say they're telling the truth. If only because people tell the truth much more often than they lie.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

First march - wide estimates of round 1000 people. Second march estimates of 2-2500 people. Feel free to have a look at both marches on youtube.

The second is clearly much bigger which shows a trend of growing numbers.

I seriously doubt a cup game the week later would have deterred a large group of Evertonians who had watched thier club systematically dismantled over a decade. Just my opinion that last bit but as you said thier supporters were furious, which included me at the time.

There was never 2500 people on that 2nd march, behave