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These are the only real two issues.
Our club needs more money to compete, the board has said for ten years that their priority is to get that extra money and that we can't expect too much until they get it. They've failed. They have been completely unable to improve our income or attract outside investment despite meeting with hundreds of people asking for it.
They set a target themselves, said it was their main priority and remains their main priority, and they haven't reached it. That can't really be seen as anything else but grossly incompetent (either their main priority is impossible in which case their buisness plan is unworkable or they lack the skills to achieve their main priority).
And, second, is the price of everton unreasonably high? A former employer says it's 150 million, a man who recently bought a british football club claims its 300 million, nobody else has made any statements about the price. Given the debt we have, I'd say any price above 50 million is unreasonable and frankly the only reason to ask for more is if you're more concerned with making money for yourself then for the future of the club (which is precisely what Kenwright is accused of).
Dell Boy
Player Valuation: £35m
Agreed they've failed in main objective to seek new investment. But I've said on here that apart from the London clubs and Citeh it's difficult to see any clear success story in recent years. United were already the biggest club in the world with a shedload of titles when the Glazers bought them with debt.
Likewise with the asking price. That's just crude speculation. The Rangers bloke looks like a tool of the highest order anyway.
Ultimately if Kenwright wants to sell for a profit as some claim then at some point he would have to see sense. It's not logical to hold out for a fantasy figure. Especially if serious businessmen are behind him wanting their cash returned.
If I thought for one second that Kenwright had turned away a serious party for no good reason then I'd be on his back in a second.
kenada_blue
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For over 10 years though? You're telling me me there hasnt been 1 serious investor in that time? You have to be naive to think that
Either they're all charlatans over that time or there is something wrong when the price figures are laid out.
They signed confidentially agreements, Bill practically said the City owners couldve bought us.etc
And im not talking about billionaires, i want someone who can push the clu forward and has the resources to pull the odd £5mill to bag this player or that rather than penny pinch
Dell Boy
Player Valuation: £35m
Remember when Kenwright bought the club from Johnson there was no competition then. Johnson was known to be touting it all over the place as well.
I think if there was a serious bidder than got turned away by Kenwright's ridiculous asking price then we'd have heard about it. 100%. I've said before on here NDAs are not worth anything when a deal breaks up.
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
Come on mate, the man can't be excused failure on this issue.
He's claimed to have been seeking to find 'investment' for years & more lately he's specified that means looking to sell.
So if he's been looking to sell for years, are you saying that there's ben zero serious interest in all that time?
If so, why? as there's been far less attrative clubs than EFC come to the market & be sold during that timeframe, so don't merely trot out the 'once club city' & all that, as they're merely factors that might effect the price paid, not the will of someone wanting to take on one of Englands finest clubs.
Your right about apart from United/City/London clubs success bit,I agree,but what about the likes of Sunderlands/Aston Villa's owner investment into their clubs?Okay on the whole they have struggled,but surely that is not the fault of the owners.They have supplied the managers of the said clubs ample funds compared to Everton,what has happened is the managers of these clubs have failed Martin O'Neil being a prime example.
Imagine if Moyes would have had that money to spend,we could well have been up there with the City's and Uniteds of this world.You can add to the list of decent owners Liverpools and QPR's,owners who can and will invest in their clubs,ours simply wont or cant.We have stood still during Bill's tenure,while most other EPL clubs have newer grounds or have made there grounds,bigger more viable...We have done nothing.
kenada_blue
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They sign confidentially agreements and its all done on the sly. We wont hear if Bobby Motors or the King of Dubai are interested
That's precisely the point I was going to make.
It's a mistake to argue that there's only two types of takeovers: the massively successful (City, Spurs, Chelsea) and the total failiures (Portsmouth, Blackburn, Everton).
There are plenty of non london clubs who have invested more money in their players then ours. The owners at stoke, villa, liverpool (twice), newcastle, boro, sunderland, bolton, southampton etc have all done so. Yes that money has largely been wasted by staff who didn't use it wisely but Kenwright (to his credit) has put staff in place who are good at spending money. We only need an owner who can invest tens of millions to improve, we don't need billions.
If the likes of Short, Coates, Henry and Lerner had taken over our club as opposed to the ones they did, I'd class them all as steps up.
I don't believe for a second that Green is right. But the only people who have mentioned a price from within the indursty (two of them) have mentioned sums of more than a hundred million.
A former employer has said on SSN that it's 150 million. I'm not saying he isn't lying but there are no other figures. The board certainly haven't produced any.
If you don't trust him and you don't trust green then you might as well get a figure from rolling dice.
Thats the bit I dont understand , if you wish to sell something then surely it must have a price?The price quoted on ssn a few years ago by Keith Harris,was to my knowledge never denied by Everton,(£150m),so that points at it being true.Well if your house aint selling and your desperate to sell...you lower the price.That is if you are serious about selling in the first place.
I recall walking into a new lavish casino in Vegas one night in the persual of a game of blackjack. It dawned on me that the table stakes on most tables were totally out of my league to play for a few hours straight, so I found a table stake that met my financial requirments. I had to wait of course for the spot to open as most wanted to play the lower stake tables.
I see Bill,s ownership of the club in a similar way accept Bill sits down at a high stake table he cannot afford to play, slowly counts out his one dollar bills and then taps up the players on the table to loan him the stake to play the game. He knows he should never have to sat down to the play the game in the first place if he could,nt afford it and now he is in deep to all the lenders who spotted him.
You see too me I would,nt put myself at risk it,s a selfish venture that could end in tears but we have been gawking as fans at this situation for 13 years and wondering why we are always skint.
Still if your a blue that always overides common sense eh
I see Bill,s ownership of the club in a similar way accept Bill sits down at a high stake table he cannot afford to play, slowly counts out his one dollar bills and then taps up the players on the table to loan him the stake to play the game. He knows he should never have to sat down to the play the game in the first place if he could,nt afford it and now he is in deep to all the lenders who spotted him.
You see too me I would,nt put myself at risk it,s a selfish venture that could end in tears but we have been gawking as fans at this situation for 13 years and wondering why we are always skint.
Still if your a blue that always overides common sense eh
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
That's a great analogy & very true imo.
It's like buying a mansion with borrowed money & not being able to maintain it or pay the heating bills.
After a while the paint starts to crack, the weeds are 2 foot high & you're sat in the living room chopping up & burning your furniture to keep warm.
I thought you were on Kenwright's side, though?
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