The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Only finishing 4th will justify that transfer window. That's the measuring rod for it.

If we miss out by a very small margin, then we can look back at this window & shake our heads.

I hope it doesn't go down as yet another 'what could have been' moment in our history.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

We have no money? Isn't it obvious

Why don't we have any money?

Because our Board are lazy and inept, and have constantly and repeatedly failed to take us to the next level. Moyes has done his bit, he has got us to the final 3rd of the season, 1 point oFf a CL spot, and all we needed was a few top quality players in key positions to enable us to make that step.

CM
Striker

These are the 2 positions we needed to strengthen, and once again we missed the boat, it should never have gone down to the wire last night - the investment should have been made and the deals done way before last night.

But once again there was no investment, once again there was no drive from Board level - instead we came up with approx £3 million presumably borrowed against next season's TV revenue.

Where is the vision, drive, and commitment from the board? It's not there, never has been, and never will. It's so sad, because IMO our squad is not strong enough to get us into the CL spot, and its even more sickening because I'm watching Spurs, Arsenal, and Liverpool all struggling this season, this was our golden moment. And we've blown it again.

FFS!

 

[Allezfan]

Only finishing 4th will justify that transfer window. That's the measuring rod for it.

Or the FA cup trophy.

 

[Blue_Berry]

I think you're comforting yourself with the thought that those who put up an opposite opinion to your view on how the transfer window went are mad conspiracy theorists. For the most part critics are saying this: we had a choice to strenghten and for whatever reason it wasn't taken...and the Fer deal was the biggest call of any window for years. It was palpable from the comments we've heard so far from the club that it was a goer but that finances, ultimately, stopped the taking of that choice.


We live with those decisions now and wait to see the impact of them on the campaign left.

This comment simply reinforces your stance. The world is black and white to you - everyone is either in agreement with 100% of what Kenwright represents or storming his castle with torches and pickforks. The reality is in the very diverse area in between.

Yes, I do believe that SOME on here are mad conspiracy theorists, but fortunately I am easy enough with myself that I don't need to believe that to find comfort - I just think they're a bit sad. I'm perfectly happy to entertain others' views, and (are you sitting down mate?) even modify my own view if I see some sense in what they are saying. The fact that you simply choose to believe that if people don't agree with me then I think they're mad / wrong / stupid really just so poignantly proves the very point I'm trying to make here.

 

[Neiler]

So Moyes had money to spend and didn't?

It's like a dog chasing its own tail. Need money. Got money. Don't spend it.

We had pocket change and went after players who's clubs wouldn't mind a x payment installment over a period of time that would more than likely be covered by player sales in the future.

Do not buy for one second Moyes is only looking for "quality". If he did, why 2 bids for 2 players, 1 would never pull off in a million years, the other we backed away from, and no one else?

Its guess work really mate, you can say we didnt have money i can say we have no one knows, the word on the grapvine is we came into a bit of a windfall and the Fer and Negrado bids seemed to suggest the same, the fact we spent 3mill on an 18 year old seems to suggest a reasonably healthy cash flow. I can remember windows were we couldnt entertain doing that.

 

[kenada_blue]

Wrong. The Fer deal fell down after we wanted to link future payments to appearances due to the concern over his knee. I have no issue with that, as they were merely looking to safeguard the club. Even the player understood the logic there.

Your last sentence I largely agree with, as we didn't have much cash for up front payment, which limited our potential dealings to those who were prepared to accept contract length payments. So, the funding issue will have impacted on who Moyes could have on his shopping list.

Putting those 2 issues together & coming up with a 'fake bid' scenario is nads though.

The Fer deal is really irrelevant to be fair. It's the overall fee that's the problem.

£12million we threw out apparently for Negredo. We "had" 12mill to play with.

You can take it two ways. As money we don't have but still tried to buy players and call them fake bids.

Or buying players with money we don't have based on a low up front payment we do have.

 

[Neiler]

I dont ever remember you being 'furious' with this lot mate. Maybe you hide it well?

I remember Jan two years ago i was furious, the year we sold Pienaar and every striker we had bar Saha etc. As ive always said im not arsed whos in charge of Everton as long as they dont do a Randy on it and will give it a go within a reasonable and rationale context i think promotes the clubs health and longevity, ill just try and be fair and call it how i see it from my own analysis with out agenda.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The Fer deal is really irrelevant to be fair. It's the overall fee that's the problem.

£12million we threw out apparently for Negredo. We "had" 12mill to play with.

You can take it two ways. As money we don't have but still tried to buy players and call them fake bids.

Or buying players with money we don't have based on a low up front payment we do have.

Fake bids is the preserve of the loon imo, so for me it's the latter.

The forthcoming TV revenue increase gave them the option of being able to commit to large total contract payments, BUT they were hamstrung by only having a small up front payment. This will have impacted on who was prepared to even talk to them.

So Moyes list of targets may have all been affordable in terms of the overall fee, the terms we could offer will have ruled out a fair few imo.

 

[Allezfan]

Does it matter whether it's primarily Moyes' fault or Kenwright's fault?

We needed players, we didn't get them. Everyone involved at the club is at fault.

 

[Blue_Berry]

So we had 12million to spend and only 2 targets?

That's a first for the club to be fair.

I don't know how much we had to spend and how many targets were on Moyes's list. And neither do you.

 

[kenada_blue]

Its guess work really mate, you can say we didnt have money i can say we have no one knows, the word on the grapvine we came into a bit of a windfall and the FEr and Negrado bids seemed to suggest the same, the fact we spent 3mill on an 18 year old seems to suggest a reasonably healthy cash flow. I can remember windows were we couldnt entertain doing that.

500k up front isn't it?

We probably do have 3 million, that is our 1st installment payment to any "big", transfer. The rest would be taken from future sales or any bit of cash we scrap together.

You say we run a tight ship. To me trying to get a play for 12million with money you don't have is suicide and effects anything else in the future.

 

[peteblue]

I must admit, I am just a little bit disappointed..........

 

[kenada_blue]

I don't know how much we had to spend and how many targets were on Moyes's list. And neither do you.

Seville rejected a 12million euro bid from us for Negredo.

We went after 2 players and 1 championship player. 3 targets that suited our transfer pay structure.

Stick your head I am the sand all you want.

 

[kenada_blue]

Fake bids is the preserve of the loon imo, so for me it's the latter.

The forthcoming TV revenue increase gave them the option of being able to commit to large total contract payments, BUT they were hamstrung by only having a small up front payment. This will have impacted on who was prepared to even talk to them.

So Moyes list of targets may have all been affordable in terms of the overall fee, the terms we could offer will have ruled out a fair few imo.

So it's still paying money you don't have in the long run?

If someone came to us for Fellaini and said 30mill but here's 3mill first and the rest in instalments, we tell them to jump.

 

[Blue_Berry]

500k up front isn't it?

We probably do have 3 million, that is our 1st installment payment to any "big", transfer. The rest would be taken from future sales or any bit of cash we scrap together.

You say we run a tight ship. To me trying to get a play for 12million with money you don't have is suicide and effects anything else in the future.

It's unlikely to be money we don't have mate. If it really is the case, then yes, they deserve to be taken out and shot in the yard. As per Ridsdale at Leeds. Do you really imagine that is the case here, that there is no spending control and that the banks would allow them to spend unaccounted or uncommitted money?