The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Neiler]

I notice Neiler hasn't commented about the existence of that Facebook page yet.

Hmmmm.

There all nuts, both the BU and this crowd let the fan base down. Imagine the wasted energy in setting up a pressure group to put pressure on a pressure group, the internet gives all these loons a platform. Its a pity because if there was a brain cell behind either the BU or this crowd - we may get a proper fans advocacy group and have a constructive relationship with the club.

Regardless of personal opinion and im no BU fan as you know, both bodies are a waste of constructive energy trying to score ridiculous points by conditioned rhetoric. Fans deserve better - so its all pretty sad really.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

There all nuts, both the BU and this crowd let the fan base down. Imagine the wasted energy in setting up a pressure group to put pressure on a pressure group, the internet gives all these loons a platform. Its a pity because if there was a brain cell behind either the BU or this crowd - we may get a proper fans advocacy group and have a constructive relationship with the club.

Regardless of personal opinion and im no BU fan as you know, both bodies are a waste of constructive energy trying to score ridiculous points by conditioned rhetoric. Fans deserve better - so its all pretty sad really.

Here, here, a fans group borne out of hate for another fans group borne out of hate, is madness.

The BU allowed themselves to become influenced by the desire to points score, rather than actually create some meaningful dialogue between a fans group that could have genuinely represented the fanbase & the current custodians.

 

[davek]

There all nuts, both the BU and this crowd let the fan base down. Imagine the wasted energy in setting up a pressure group to put pressure on a pressure group, the internet gives all these loons a platform. Its a pity because if there was a brain cell behind either the BU or this crowd - we may get a proper fans advocacy group and have a constructive relationship with the club.

Regardless of personal opinion and im no BU fan as you know, both bodies are a waste of constructive energy trying to score ridiculous points by conditioned rhetoric. Fans deserve better - so its all pretty sad really.

I think you might be being a bit generous to the anti-BU venture. It looks like one man and his dog to me.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Our need for a stadium solution isn't borne out of the need for a larger capacity, it's become a necessity due to the age of the Old Lady & it's increasing unsuitability for top class English football. That's why our stadium issue is such a millstone.

We have an opportunity to sort out our stadium issue here, but the cost is potentially making ourselves uncompetitive on the pitch for a spell.

You could argue that the converse would potentially be a better option i.e. spend the money on new players that see us competing at the top end of the table & in the CL, which would increase revenue & therefore allow us to invest in the infrastructure. However that too is a gamble, as you could spend the money & still fall short.

So it's a real 'chicken & egg' discussion tbh.

what actually makes Goodison unsuitable?

 

[davek]

Here, here, a fans group borne out of hate for another fans group borne out of hate, is madness.

The BU allowed themselves to become influenced by the desire to points score, rather than actually create some meaningful dialogue between a fans group that could have genuinely represented the fanbase & the current custodians.

The BU, in my humble opinion, should have ignored Kenwright altogether and used a strategy of flushing out the identity of who owns the club shares parked in BCR Sports, thus elevating the speculation surrounding the Green connection.

A national campaign on that would be very uncomfortable for Kenwright...who, it's fair to say, isn't arsed about personal attacks on himself (that's what he's there for: the man who takes all the limelight in order that others may stay quietly in the shadows). The likes of Earl and Green would not be best pleased with a light being shone on them and their financial activities. And look at what Leeds fans achieved through their campaign to flush out the identity of their owners who were operating form a finance vehicle out of the BVI. They made Government force them to reveal all about who owned what - and that was followed by that clubs' sale.

 

[Neiler]

I think you might be being a bit generous to the anti-BU venture. It looks like one man and his dog to me.

Ha thats two men and same again in dogs if you count both groups then!

 

[Steve Wigan]

Likewise Steve,
Figures can be twisted, but few would believe that an influx of 10's of millions is necessary, enough to push on and keep momentum going forward, which, to Bill's gratitude, Moyes has managed to do on a pittance, would probably mean around 15-20 mill for a push into the areas that make money generation self sufficient.
We missed that this window. Money could have been leveraged against either qualification of an unwanted sale of Fellaini in the summer.
Not so sure at the prospective owners wanting shut of Moyes, he is the reason the club have had opportunities to expand. Moyes would be included at the top of an inventory of assets the club has. As for his back against the wall, who put him there?
The analogy against city and utd is moot, a team ethic has shown to still be able to compete against them, its the back up, reinforcements for respite and rotation that is strangling any advancement, an advancement that the board are hindering and demonstrably not interested in changing, for what end?
Boils down to do something or do nothing, and we've had a whole lot of nothing from Kenwright et al for too long.
It's tempered by Kenwright 'supporters' saying we aren't doing a 'bad job' and 'be careful what you wish for etc', but they are dealing with a situation created by themselves (the board) but a much better job could be done with change and with it the wishes, hopes and aspirations of the club as a whole.
The last window took a lot out of supporters and I genuinely believe that had a knock on effect on saturday, the team felt the anxiety of the crowd of missing out after so much effort.
Until Bill accepts totally that his 'vision' for the club is piling too much pressure on the team, then I fear we are heading for a big fall, that, could be Moyes going, and the better more valuable players following suit.

Good fair post, Magic, but accented towards improving the team, and while this is always important, and should be an ongoing scenario, there are other aspects such as the stadium, refurb or build new, which is also vitally important to the future of the club. We've very few corporate boxes, and these don't sell out, but a new staduium with up to the minute spectator facilities and lots more boxes, we would have something to sell comparitive with the current market(and league!) leaders. Its only new owners that will be able to provide the amount of loot required, and we still have to be very careful not to get a bad 'un.
Football today whether we like it or not is a major part of the entertainment industry, and personally I would encourage tourists, family groups, in fact everyone, to be part of the Everton experience if they so wish. Some complain about the RS and their 'Norwegian' supporters, personally I'd love these Norwegians to be watching us instead of them...there is a whole world of Everton supporters and potential Everton supporters out there, and most of them live a long way from Walton Road. Youre right when you say there is potential, and we mustn't be afraid to embrace the whole world. We must stop being so parochial, stop nit picking, lets discuss, not argue, lets have respect for each other, not abuse each other. Fan power can achieve a lot if fans stick together. Its not revolution we need, its evolution.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The BU, in my humble opinion, should have ignored Kenwright altogether and used a strategy of flushing out the identity of who owns the club shares parked in BCR Sports, thus elevating the speculation surrounding the Green connection.

A national campaign on that would be very uncomfortable for Kenwright...who, it's fair to say, isn't arsed about personal attacks on himself (that's what he's there for: the man who takes all the limelight in order that others may stay quietly in the shadows). The likes of Earl and Green would not be best pleased with a light being shone on them and their financial activities. And look at what Leeds fans achieved through their campaign to flush out the identity of their owners who were operating form a finance vehicle out of the BVI. They made Government force them to reveal all about who owned what - and that was followed by that clubs' sale.

That's a decent point in terms of forcing a sale, but creating an environment that resulted in a fire sale type scenario might have also proved to be ultimately counter productive, in terms of finding the kind of owner that we crave.

Personally I think they should have played up to Kenwright & won his trust, once close to him, they could have consistently delivered the fans real opinions straight from the horses mouth so to speak. The fans having a direct line to the Chairman (without filters) would have been beneficial to all concerned imo.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

what actually makes Goodison unsuitable?

It's tired mate, very tired. As much as I love the place, it's a weary old site, that is light years behind most of our peers in terms of facilities.

 

[Ratkiller]

Me too, but it'd be a risky strategy as you could end up with the best ground in the Championship.

We're not in any danger of being relegated though. So assuming we carry on as we are now (sell to buy) then it shouldn't really be a risk.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I don't really care about your 'Gold Forum Supporter' and '65 million valuation', but it seems like they do entitle you to make statements about fellow Evertonians like the quote above, simply because they have an opinion that differs from yours. Unless of course you have the appropriate qualifications to make this diagnosis? I have been an Evertonian for around 65 years, and one of the great things about Evertonians was that even if they disagreed, they rarely abused each other seriously, and never queried each others allegiance to the cause. Unfortunately, the internet,has changed all that, and Evertonians are now able to suggest that other Evertonians, whom they have probably never met, require 'correctional assistance' Sorry for the rant if you were joking, but otherwise I mean every word.

Steve lad, I'm sorry you don't care about the way this forum works, and the effort I put in to obtaining the £65 mil valuation. But while you're on this site you'll goddam adhere to its ethics.

 

[Bluenose1995]

That's a decent point in terms of forcing a sale, but creating an environment that resulted in a fire sale type scenario might have also proved to be ultimately counter productive, in terms of finding the kind of owner that we crave.

Personally I think they should have played up to Kenwright & won his trust, once close to him, they could have consistently delivered the fans real opinions straight from the horses mouth so to speak. The fans having a direct line to the Chairman (without filters) would have been beneficial to all concerned imo.

no chance that would work the board wouldnt let the BU into anything closely related to the club the aims of the BU from the beginning was a fan protest group kenwright knew that as would he know that about any fan group looking for answers.

would be the same as an under cover cop dressed in full cop uniform trying to get the mafia boss to reveal what exactly happened to jack the hat aint gonna work.

 

[LITLEJOE]

That's a decent point in terms of forcing a sale, but creating an environment that resulted in a fire sale type scenario might have also proved to be ultimately counter productive, in terms of finding the kind of owner that we crave.

Personally I think they should have played up to Kenwright & won his trust, once close to him, they could have consistently delivered the fans real opinions straight from the horses mouth so to speak. The fans having a direct line to the Chairman (without filters) would have been beneficial to all concerned imo.

as if kenwright gives 2 ****s what fans think,hes a selfish self centerd ego maniac.

 

[TheFinnFan]

It's tired mate, very tired. As much as I love the place, it's a weary old site, that is light years behind most of our peers in terms of facilities.

yes mate. Long history behind it

 

[Brennan]

what actually makes Goodison unsuitable?

The facilities, particularly in the Upper Gladwys, are really poor. I'm sure they miss out on revenue in the Upper because it takes forever to get served at half time and they regularly run out of food.

It's not 'unusable' per se in the same way that a house with no electricity isn't 'unliveable', but it's badly out of date.