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The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

Is it time for Change...???

  • Kenwright an the Board out, We need Change.

    Votes: 503 80.0%
  • Im Happy with the way thing are. Kenwright an the Board should stay

    Votes: 126 20.0%

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At the right price everton would be a viable option.
Poor fan base.... Some people on here really have a dour perception of our fan base.
Just seems like a lot of excuses to me as to why, nothing is happening at goodison, really.

Poor as in financially. We are essentially still locally supported in the main, with our fans based in a city that is largely deprived.
I love Everton fans, even those that misread what I'm saying ;)
None of what I put is excuses, its fact. You say if sold for cheaper then Everton suddenly becomes a viable option... I give you a list of reasons why that's not the case. You only see excuses.. Simply fact is we are not a good prospect for making money.
 
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I wouldn't call it 'concrete', but Harris tells the reporter that £150-160m isn't far off.

Bingo.

Im sure you can just Google Harris and Everton and find other gems such as he would "struggle" to sell Everton.

Complete with Mr Kenwrught's Goal on Sunday interview saying the price "changes regularly". So even he does the even know ffs
 
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I suggest no investors being out there is linked to the fundamentals of the club.

I also think that the board have made mistakes which is why I'd welcome any new investment with open arms. In the absence of any brave knights on the horizon though I think fans need to take a constructive approach.

Like building a gallows in the middle of Goodison and hanging the lot of them?
 
Cool. Have you got a signed copy of the sales particulars where that price was quoted? Have you any direct evidence at all as to what the actual price is? It's just that you're quoting it with such certainty you must have something concrete to be going on.

Seems you want proof for everything which is a tad unrealistic and a defence mechanism because you can't argue against anything brought against Kenwright and co. Easy to wheel out the 'Prove it' card because you know most people cannot prove it because it is not easy to get hard facts especially from snide companies. If the cock ups in his tenure are not enough to convince you that he is the wrong man then carry on and continue asking people for proof for your self preservation. Pedantic clearly springs to mind.
 
Seems you want proof for everything which is a tad unrealistic and a defence mechanism because you can't argue against anything brought against Kenwright and co. Easy to wheel out the 'Prove it' card because you know most people cannot prove it because it is not easy to get hard facts especially from snide companies. If the cock ups in his tenure are not enough to convince you that he is the wrong man then carry on and continue asking people for proof for your self preservation. Pedantic clearly springs to mind.

I think there have been several cock ups on Kenwright's watch. I've never said otherwise. I don't think that alone means its right to try and drive him out when in my view it seems clear there is no alternative.

There are various claims made on here about Kenwright so asking for some evidence is hardly being pedantic. I actually think the supposed price tag is not the issue. Whether the agents have it right or not either we don't know the terms of a deal and what it would include or not include.

Plenty of folk on here say Kenwright is just a puppet for shadey businessmen in the shadows. If true then 'they' more than anyone would know that any business has a market price. They would no more tolerate Bill asking for the moon if they could make a tidy profit at a market level.

My main point is if there was some serious party sniffing around Everton then we'd get to hear about it. That's simple logic to me.
 

Poor as in financially. We are essentially still locally supported in the main, with our fans based in a city that is largely deprived.
I love Everton fans, even those that misread what I'm saying ;)
None of what I put is excuses, its fact. You say if sold for cheaper then Everton suddenly becomes a viable option... I give you a list of reasons why that's not the case. You only see excuses.. Simply fact is we are not a good prospect for making money.
I never misread, what you said, not all everton fans have not got a pot to piss in. I think manchester is quite high up in the social deprivation league as well.
You have your opinion, i have mine.
 
I think there have been several cock ups on Kenwright's watch. I've never said otherwise. I don't think that alone means its right to try and drive him out when in my view it seems clear there is no alternative.

There are various claims made on here about Kenwright so asking for some evidence is hardly being pedantic. I actually think the supposed price tag is not the issue. Whether the agents have it right or not either we don't know the terms of a deal and what it would include or not include.

Plenty of folk on here say Kenwright is just a puppet for shadey businessmen in the shadows. If true then 'they' more than anyone would know that any business has a market price. They would no more tolerate Bill asking for the moon if they could make a tidy profit at a market level.

My main point is if there was some serious party sniffing around Everton then we'd get to hear about it. That's simple logic to me.

We wouldn't get to hear about any serious bids mate.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2011/11/09/elstone-claims-everton-still-in-negotiation-over-takeover-and-investment-92534-29744084/

“There are a number of individuals, groups and companies interested in Everton and genuine conversations are taking place about future ownership and future investment.
“The club is always receptive, responsive and professional, which means we respect the confidentiality agreements which prevent either side from disclosing the interest.”


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I actually think the supposed price tag is not the issue.

My main point is if there was some serious party sniffing around Everton then we'd get to hear about it. That's simple logic to me.

Bill has been saying that he's been trying to sell the business for literally years.

There's an old saying that you can sell, anything, anytime, if the price is right.

If EFC was up for sale for £1 plus the debt there'd be no shortage of takers, irrespective of all of the issues that we know about i.e. the ground, the location, the relatively low income fanbase etc etc etc. Can you disagree with that?

Assuming you can't - then if we're confident it'd sell for £1 plus the debt, but it's been for sale for years at whatever Bill & Co's asking price is - then we have therefore isolated the issue why it hasn't sold. As somewhere between the notional £1 & the actual figure being asked for, lies it's true value.

The only other explanation, is that he's never had any intention of offloading it & has never entered into any discussions with interested parties, which given the admitted involvement of someone like Keith Harris & the 'dozens' of enquiries that Bill reckons he's had, doesn't look favourite to me....
 
Simply fact is we are not a good prospect for making money.
... good thing almost no takeovers are about making money then.

I think I will retire this rant after this one but for one last time (then I can just link back to this for future people who still say things about football being a profit motivated business).

Why do people continue to think this is a money making business when they had to invent a rule to prevent people from deliberately losing money? Do they need to have that rule in any other business? Yes some people have made money -- far more people have lost money (and done so knowing they would lose money going in).

City and Chelsea owners aren't in it for a profit. RS just posted a massive loss. Barca lost money for a few years in a row then had a record profit of something like 40m (while having a debt around 400m). The revenue figures are big but it rarely translates to consistent profits. There is a limited pool of buyers for high-end teams so buying for 1.5b and selling for 2.5b is a dubious goal. What if the team's performance slips? What if the bubble bursts? What if just nobody wants to spend 2-3b on a football club when they can "make" a CL team from scratch for way less? Man U are clearly an exception at the high-end rather than the rule.

Buying a CL team (or at least one close to qualifying) for 1.5b and then sitting back and collecting a 20-30m p/year "profit?" Even at 500m that deal wouldn't be a wise investment. Buying a CL team and trying to increase their status for a future sale for more money? Easier ways to make money that bettering the likes of Barca, Real Madrid, City, United and Chelsea (which is what you'd need to raise Arsenal's profile and therefore price above current levels). Especially difficult when you pay that much for a club and you are still starting from behind. I know the article was likely nonsense but 1.5b for a club which might not qualify for the CL this year? How is that going to end in a profit?

Revenue is valid from a FFP standpoint I suppose but largely it's the brand and status of the "big" clubs which attracts buyers ... not the potential to make a load of money. Some of this goes hand in hand sure but I think it's an important distinction. We have the pedigree for a takeover (especially to a US buyers -- teams like ours are ripe takeover material in the US) based on brand (if it was ever promoted properly). This notion that without a stadium it's *impossible* to get anyone to buy us is just helping the current board retain control.

This is what I meant by "investors" not existing. Buyers? Maybe. Investors? Nobody in their right mind would "invest" in a football club. If I were a millionaire and wanted to make money with a football club I'd be constantly selling all my best players and constantly getting relegated and then spending enough to get promoted again (but never increasing my wage bill to the Prem level and just cashing in the leftover TV money). That's the only remotely logical plan a financial advisor would suggest for "investment" (and even that would be about 10,000th on his list of ideas for your millions). We lose our minds if the team doesn't re-invest all money from a sale back into the team. Where's the ___ money Bill? Well why can't they "take a profit" if this is a business?

It's not about making money. It's status. If we were truly considered a "grand old team" outside of Goodison we'd have a buyer. The good news is that making us an appealing brand is easier than making us an appealing investment. The bad news is the current owners probably don't want to sell and aren't good at promoting the club.
 

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Everton is not a club that will make money for an owner but outside man u & arsenal very few football clubs are. That's now why people buy them, on the whole.
In retrospect I could have just said this and been done with it. Oh well. ... and Arsenal wouldn't make money for an owner if they had to spend a huge amount to obtain the club. The yearly profits aren't big enough to warrant a billion pound valuation.
 
It's not about making money. It's status. If we were truly considered a "grand old team" outside of Goodison we'd have a buyer. The good news is that making us an appealing brand is easier than making us an appealing investment. The bad news is the current owners probably don't want to sell and aren't good at promoting the club.

That's true in some cases but not all. The Yanks aren't in at the RS 'for love' or for the status. They've seen an opportunity to buy a global brand on the relative cheap, develop it & move it on for a sizeable profit at some down the line. The Glazers at United are not only creaming £20M per annum out of it, but would stand to clear at least half a Billion sterling profit, if they went tomorrow.

There are also other reasons, Abramovich wanted a plaything & Western acceptance in return for his £700M. The Abu Dhabis want a global advertising hoarding to promote their desert state as a holiday destination. The Coates family at Stoke genuinely wanted to own something close to their heart imo, I'd say they're genuine benefactors.

At the right price Everton FC could be a decent long term investment, but it'd be a gamble & you'd either need to love it, or have AN other reason for wanting to own it.
 
That's true in some cases but not all. The Yanks aren't in at the RS 'for love' or for the status. They've seen an opportunity to buy a global brand on the relative cheap, develop it & move it on for a sizeable profit at some down the line. The Glazers at United are not only creaming £20M per annum out of it, but would stand to clear at least half a Billion sterling profit, if they went tomorrow.

There are also other reasons, Abramovich wanted a plaything & Western acceptance in return for his £700M. The Abu Dhabis want a global advertising hoarding to promote their desert state as a holiday destination. The Coates family at Stoke genuinely wanted to own something close to their heart imo, I'd say they're genuine benefactors.

At the right price Everton FC could be a decent long term investment, but it'd be a gamble & you'd either need to love it, or have AN other reason for wanting to own it.

Good post mate , ignoring the doubts about the Arsenal takeover rumours if they sold now at the figures quoted kroenke would make £400m I think .

There are all kinds of reasons for takeovers and it's not as simple as dismissing them as one size fits all in my opinion.

On the 'lack of interest' in relation to everton , I like to think I'm fair . I'm far from a kenwright fan , I want him to move on but I defended him earlier in the thread from what I felt was unfair criticism. People don't have to believe me but to say there has been. I serious interest in everton football club is far from the mark , there are obviously loads of rumours but there has been at least one serious enquiry and that's not speculation from me.
 
I wonder sometimes what type of "new owners" fans would actually want or accept?

The Malaysians at Cardiff?
Mike Ashley at Newcastle?
Shinawatra at City?
Gillett and Hicks at the sh!te?
Any one of the glorious takeovers at Birmingham or Portsmouth etc?
 
I wonder sometimes what type of "new owners" fans would actually want or accept?

The Malaysians at Cardiff?
Mike Ashley at Newcastle?
Shinawatra at City?
Gillett and Hicks at the sh!te?
Any one of the glorious takeovers at Birmingham or Portsmouth etc?

Or abramovitch , city or even arsenal or Sunderland that are considerably better than what we have . Do we just say "there are some nasty men out there so we'll stay as we are thank you very much" then mate ? As I've said before that's the mindset that keeps failing governments in power or people trapped for their whole lives in loveless relationships.
 

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