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Mrk said:
Do you not think Moshiri wants to get something from Everton? Was his aim not to buy Everton, increase it's value through success on and off the pitch and then have an asset at his disposal that is worth much more than he paid for it?


The flaw with this logic is that even if Usmanov was still able to provide cash, we can't compete with the likes of Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Newcastle because we have catastrophically failed to increase the commercial performance of the club. It doesn't matter how rich your owner is, if you're not well run off the pitch you can't spend it. This is why I think a different approach that focuses on returning Everton to being a well-run club will pay dividends in the long run, as we'll be less reliant on idiotic billionaires and more reliant on our own success.


Don't disagree, but neither you or me know:
  1. How much cash Moshiri would be required to provide should the worst happen
  2. How much of our debt would be called in by our lenders
  3. How much cash Moshiri has available to him
Could Moshiri even provide enough cash even if he wanted to? We literally have no idea. Hence why administration is a very real concern, unless the club decided to sell the stadium for a cut price in order to raise cash.
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You speak sense hombre
 

Mrk said:
Do you not think Moshiri wants to get something from Everton? Was his aim not to buy Everton, increase it's value through success on and off the pitch and then have an asset at his disposal that is worth much more than he paid for it?
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Of course, when you buy a classic Ferrari or say a work of art you know it will retain x value or more than likely go up to provide a nice return. The difference with Moshiri is he was willing to invest more, much more to try and raise the profile of the club. Like with Chelsea spunking 1 billion quid on players there is no guarantee you get that side back. Venture capitalists will not throw that kind of money around.

Mrk said:
The flaw with this logic is that even if Usmanov was still able to provide cash, we can't compete with the likes of Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Newcastle because we have catastrophically failed to increase the commercial performance of the club. It doesn't matter how rich your owner is, if you're not well run off the pitch you can't spend it. This is why I think a different approach that focuses on returning Everton to being a well-run club will pay dividends in the long run, as we'll be less reliant on idiotic billionaires and more reliant on our own success.
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That was my point, you don't get those sponsors until you become successful. No one is going to sponsor us huge sums of money as we are, they won't invest huge amounts so we'll be stuck. If these guys are really good commercially we might just about make up for the USM money we lost out from the war in Ukraine. Without that war and FFP Moshiri's plan would have had chance to succeed to get the team to a point where you can be reliant on 3rd party commercial partnerships instead of in house ones.
 
Honestly do not be surprised if Kenwright manages to worm his way into the next owner's boardroom like he did with Moshiri.

You cannot underestimate how stupid some business people are, and you can bet those that don't know the ins and outs of Everton might be blinded by a man who seemingly has a lifelong affiliation with the club and whom they may deem priceless to maintain a certain amount of continuity at board level.

Cockroaches are extremely difficult to get rid of, and Kenwright is the cockest of cockroaches.
 
davek said:
New stadium + PL status = big investment. Eventually.

There's no way Everton will be staying in settled hands for even as long as Moshiri has had it. I foresee churn in the ownership of this club.
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I doubt it, we wont get rid of these blood suckers for a long time.

Not till they have milked every cent from this fanbase.
 

The binman chronicles said:
Of course, when you buy a classic Ferrari or say a work of art you know it will retain x value or more than likely go up to provide a nice return. The difference with Moshiri is he was willing to invest more, much more to try and raise the profile of the club. Like with Chelsea spunking 1 billion quid on players there is no guarantee you get that side back. Venture capitalists will not throw that kind of money around.
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Where I am struggling with this argument is it reads like a theoretical investment approach that is yet to be tried, but the fact is, Moshiri has invested huge amounts of capital and we've gone backwards in every single way. Investment alone quite clearly does not equal success in this game.

Also, venture capitalists is a loaded description that is wildly misused - venture capital is something provided to early-stage companies. Everton are 145 years old. 777 would certainly not be providing venture capital to us, I can assure you.

The binman chronicles said:
That was my point, you don't get those sponsors until you become successful. No one is going to sponsor us huge sums of money as we are, they won't invest huge amounts so we'll be stuck. If these guys are really good commercially we might just about make up for the USM money we lost out from the war in Ukraine. Without that war and FFP Moshiri's plan would have had chance to succeed to get the team to a point where you can be reliant on 3rd party commercial partnerships instead of in house ones.
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There's a lot of whataboutery here regarding the war. Sadly the war is happening whether we like it or not, so saying "if it wasn't for the war his plan might have worked" is utterly pointless. There is a war. His plan hasn't worked. Usmanov is not coming to the rescue.

Everton don't need huge international sponsors to be successful, all we need is to have consistent and sustainable growth in our commercial revenues with a sensible long-term approach to expenditure. Is it as fun as watching us throw silly money at average players every summer? Of course not. But will it be better for the club? Almost certainly.

Only clubs with extremely good commercial activities make a good profit, so for 777 to make money from Everton, they either have to drastically improve our commercial (and sporting) performances so that we make a profit that they distribute as dividends, or retain the earnings within the club to invest into better sporting performances so that they can sell the club for more in the future.
 
GoldenToffee said:
Honestly do not be surprised if Kenwright manages to worm his way into the next owner's boardroom like he did with Moshiri.

You cannot underestimate how stupid some business people are, and you can bet those that don't know the ins and outs of Everton might be blinded by a man who seemingly has a lifelong affiliation with the club and whom they may deem priceless to maintain a certain amount of continuity at board level.

Cockroaches are extremely difficult to get rid of, and Kenwright is the cockest of cockroaches.
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I agree. In the grand scheme of things, to the unsuspecting newcomer Kenwright's continued presence is a mere minor detail that can be easily overlooked.
 


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