The Everton Board Thread

[kenada_blue]

There have been good American owners and poor American owners.

I find it baffling how people have already made up their minds about prospective owners who may not even ever buy the club.

The club has been ran in shambolic fashion, so the fear of change is illogical in my view.

Always said I'm in favour of change. But not to a real estate cowboy, a banker, and an ex-ceo who championed a Chinese businessman to take over the RS only for it to get thrown out because he couldn't prove where his money came from.

And also... we're Everton. It's never gonna work out well

 

[Gerbs]

Yep. I think people may be getting confused by that fuzzy line between criminality and ineptitude. Moshiri is also probably one of those people.

Our pointless sponsorship deals with USM, Megafon and Yota stink of laundering schemes. Not to mention the inflated payments to agents and third parties for deals like El Ghazi.

We literally sold the rights for the right to name the stadium in the future. Why so he could advertise Russian steel three years down the road?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

The problem we have is there's no immediately obvious 'game changers' out there. Qatar maybe, but that's it.

Everyone else either already has an interest in the league (Newcastle-KSA, Man City - UAE) or will be tied to the same rules regarding sustainability.

The EU decision on his sanctions is expected anyday now. It will be interesting to see what happens there.

Though in all honesty, the fact that neither the club or Moshiri has come out and denied the for sale stories suggest that he's maybe just lost interest. Its no fun unless you're challenging for things.

We're already in trouble because he's allowed himself to be influenced by the existing board and greedy agents.

He's brought this mess on himself by not being strong enough 6 years ago.

It's a pity, but it's the truth.

Whilst a state backed group would be ideal I would happily take a Villa/Leicester type wealthy billionaire owner.

US owners are the worst around but sadly with the issue in Ukraine the majority of buyers out there at current time will be US venture capitalists and hedge fund consortium's looking to make in roads into the riches of the PL.

Its why for me I would rather stick than twist for another 2-3 years until the pool of available buyers out there is much larger assuming the worlds financial situation / inflation we are currently in will have hopefully subsided and the Ukraine war hopefully over.

 

[Gerbs]

Not really. It's based on other clubs American owners where the majority of fans have been unhappy at the lack of investment in relation profit:

Arsenal - Years of lack of spending despite high profits.
Aston Villa - looking to do an Everton.
Burnley - Relegated
Chelsea - Fans worried already.
Leeds United - Investment minimal
Liverpool - Only success story
Manchester United - Well documented.

If they take over, you'll have 50% of the league in some sort of American ownership.

End of the day, they'll sure look at us as a business. They do see untapped areas to make them money.

Problem is... running a club like a business doesn't bring success on the pitch for them most part. Take a look at the most successful teams in world football and 90% aren't run as a "business".

Football is an expensive hobby for billionaires now, not something to make bank over because something has to give...and for the most part it's on the pitch where it happens.

Part of the me thinks there's going to be a huge shake up in the league when all these owners get together. And it won't be for the good of what's on the pitch

Arsenal- spent 150 million pounds last transfer season and 692 million since 2016. Hardly asset stripping the club

Villa- sensible business selling grealish and invested well. Bought the club in 18 and got them promoted to the prem that season. Might call that a success story

Burnley- yea got them relegated

Chelsea- they literally just bought them. Fans nervous? Come on

Leeds - bought 44% in 2018 and after 16 years finally back in the prem. Might call that a success story

Liverpool- done ok

United- yea glazers suck

 

[kenada_blue]

Arsenal- spent 150 million pounds last transfer season and 692 million since 2016. Hardly asset stripping the club

Villa- sensible business selling grealish and invested well. Bought the club in 18 and got them promoted to the prem that season. Might call that a success story

Burnley- yea got them relegated

Chelsea- they literally just bought them. Fans nervous? Come on

Leeds - bought 44% in 2018 and after 16 years finally back in the prem. Might call that a success story

Liverpool- done ok

United- yea glazers suck

Ask any Arsenal fan that since Kronke has been there from 2007, majority shareholder since 2011, he and everyone else creamed the stadium and watched a steady decline. They've spent the odd few bob based on banking millions each season. Went from challenging titles, to top 4, to yo-yoing Europe ever since moving there he's been involved. That spend is not from his pocket but the club's ala the Glaziers.

Villa and Leeds were bought cheap in the championship. Increased TV revenue and sold their best players (Leeds almost got relegated too). Again...where's the investment? It's the club's money, not there's.

And yes...Chelsea fans are nervous when Bohley just named himself director of football.

I'd also so say the club's that are part owned get off lightly rather than having full blown US owners

 

[ToffeeTim]

Not really. It's based on other clubs American owners where the majority of fans have been unhappy at the lack of investment in relation profit:

Arsenal - Years of lack of spending despite high profits. Have spent a lot recently - more than their rivals
Aston Villa - looking to do an Everton. Potentially - too early to say - and did make a £100m sale of an academy player to offset spending
Burnley - Relegated Fair - may have happened anyway though due to an average squad
Chelsea - Fans worried already. Far too early to say - they are spending money on players so appear to be investing
Leeds United - Investment minimal Got the club promotion after almost 20 years, have survived 2 seasons.
Liverpool - Only success story Unfortunately yes
Manchester United - Well documented. Poor ownership yes, but not helped by the retirement of the greatest ever manager. They have still provided huge funds for players.

If they take over, you'll have 50% of the league in some sort of American ownership.

End of the day, they'll sure look at us as a business. They do see untapped areas to make them money.

Problem is... running a club like a business doesn't bring success on the pitch for them most part. Take a look at the most successful teams in world football and 90% aren't run as a "business".

Football is an expensive hobby for billionaires now, not something to make bank over because something has to give...and for the most part it's on the pitch where it happens.

Part of the me thinks there's going to be a huge shake up in the league when all these owners get together. And it won't be for the good of what's on the pitch

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Arsenal- spent 150 million pounds last transfer season and 692 million since 2016. Hardly asset stripping the club

Villa- sensible business selling grealish and invested well. Bought the club in 18 and got them promoted to the prem that season. Might call that a success story

Burnley- yea got them relegated

Chelsea- they literally just bought them. Fans nervous? Come on

Leeds - bought 44% in 2018 and after 16 years finally back in the prem. Might call that a success story

Liverpool- done ok

United- yea glazers suck

Worth pointing out Villa are only part owned by an American (who is a billionaire).

Their main backer is one of Egypts richest men whos worth about £7 billion.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Whilst a state backed group would be ideal I would happily take a Villa/Leicester type wealthy billionaire owner.

US owners are the worst around but sadly with the issue in Ukraine the majority of buyers out there at current time will be US venture capitalists and hedge fund consortium's looking to make in roads into the riches of the PL.

Its why for me I would rather stick than twist for another 2-3 years until the pool of available buyers out there is much larger assuming the worlds financial situation / inflation we are currently in will have hopefully subsided and the Ukraine war hopefully over.

You can’t seriously want 3 more years of Moshiri sticking his oar in and getting more work for his agent friend? He’ll be the reason we start the new stadium in the Championship

 

[ForeverBlue92]

You can’t seriously want 3 more years of Moshiri sticking his oar in and getting more work for his agent friend? He’ll be the reason we start the new stadium in the Championship

Depends if all you seek is instant gratification or not?

Do you want 2-3 years of Moshiri followed by good new owners and good times

Or

Rid of Moshiri now, bad US owners for the next 10-15+ years of further bad times

Pick your poison...

 

[kenada_blue]

@ToffeeTim addressed those points.

In addition that Leeds and Villa are part owned so aren't fully in control. Same with Palace who still have Steve Parish steering the ship.

Let's not forget...Mosh sells for £500million we become the 4th-5th most expensive club acquisition in world football (Chelsea, United, Arsenal, Everton) If this includes the additional £500mill, taking it to £1billion... we're the 2nd most expensive club acquisition in world football.

And this doesn't scare anyone??

 

[BlueStevie35]

Depends if all you seek is instant gratification or not?

Do you want 2-3 years of Moshiri followed by good new owners and good times

Or

Rid of Moshiri now, bad US owners for the next 10-15+ years of further bad times

Pick your poison...

I want our club to not be in an FFP pitfall, that’s caused by Moshiri

You cannot judge how good or bad this consortium are going to be until they’re actually in place and doing something imo

 

[ToffeeTim]

@ToffeeTim addressed those points.

In addition that Leeds and Villa are part owned so aren't fully in control. Same with Palace who still have Steve Parish steering the ship.

Let's not forget...Mosh sells for £500million we become the 4th-5th most expensive club acquisition in world football (Chelsea, United, Arsenal, Everton) If this includes the additional £500mill, taking it to £1billion... we're the 2nd most expensive club acquisition in world football.

And this doesn't scare anyone??

All the options available to us scare me to some extent. But the option that scares me most is us continuing our decline under Moshiri because I think it's pretty inevitable we get relegated in the next few years unless we make big changes. I don't think he is capable of making the changes we need.

The fact we are in a position where we are desperate to sell to help our FFP position, is an embarrassment to be honest. He's left us in a position where there are no easy solutions, and no short term fixes.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I want our club to not be in an FFP pitfall, that’s caused by Moshiri

You cannot judge how good or bad this consortium are going to be until they’re actually in place and doing something imo

You do realise Thelwell is running things now dont you sir?

He's already revamped the academy and is supposedly putting in place a wage structure throughout the club.

Moshiri has taken a step back only his haters continue to talk as if he and Kia Joorabchian are still running the show when Lampard himself dismissed this towards the seasons end.

 

[BlueStevie35]

You do realise Thelwell is running things now dont you sir?

He's already revamped the academy and is supposedly putting in place a wage structure throughout the club.

Moshiri has taken a step back only his haters continue to talk as if he and Kia Joorabchian are still running the show when Lampard himself dismissed this towards the seasons end.

If you think he still won’t get involved at some point, well I have some magic beans to sell you

 

[kenada_blue]

All the options available to us scare me to some extent. But the option that scares me most is us continuing our decline under Moshiri because I think it's pretty inevitable we get relegated in the next few years unless we make big changes. I don't think he is capable of making the changes we need.

I do think big changes have been made or are going to. It's been rumoured that Mosh is still going to be involved as he's just selling his majority shares.

Now whether or not that's a recipe for disaster rather than just giving the new owners full reign...I've no idea.

There's just an undercurrent of something wrong about it IMO with the money involved. Not from where it's from but the alterior motives behind it. Mosh at least is just stupid with his money but doesn't seem to have an agenda. I think these do.