The Everton Board Thread

[davek]

The protest at the Brighton game was unplanned and kicked in spontaneously as we went 4 nil down. I really don't think we can claim some kind of orchestrated protest that night, and being 4 nil down shortly after half time is going to provoke a reaction - it's totally unacceptable at Goodison Park.

I have been anti Moshiri now for many years, and yes I agree other people took too long to to realise it. But we are where we are and we can't turn back time. The protests this month have clearly included Moshiri unlike the past, and that's correct as he is the owner and ultimately responsible.

The decision to persist with Lampard post Brighton also went against the majority of fan opinion. Most of us expected him to be fired after a hammering at home but Moshiri decided to go on talksport and say he would continue to back the manager - "he'll get it right" was the quote. No one forced him to say that.

Lampard was never the target for protests. He just wasn't. No one called for him to be sacked apart from a consistent minority on fan forums until the Brighton pasting.

He was spared because others had been targeted. If Moshiri stayed his hand it was maybe to fit in with that lack of demand from the fans to have him sacked.

 

[davek]

I don't agree Dave, Moshiri has decided that the board are a good thing, perhaps because their true awfulness, duplicity and incompetence keeps the attention away from those very same flaws in himself. If the board are forced out, and I don't think it will take too much more negative attention on the club to bring that about, then I believe that Moshiri, realising that there is nowhere left to hide, will rethink the valuation he puts on his stake in the club. Nobody is going to pay anything like the sum he, reportedly, wants at present.

The board for Moshiri were functionaries not decision makers. He did all that. The officers of the club dealing with the stadium were the only ones he'd listen to beacuse they were specialists, they have knowledge he cant replicate. That's why he has an actor as a chairman and a chugger as a CEO and an ex-player as a director. Their actions didn't come into the equation.

 

[Blue peter]

The argument towards this board has been won.

You know it's been won when you have even the likes of Ian Wright, Kevin Campbell and Jamie Carragher saying "Hang on, this isn't on the fans as the board are trying to say. This is the issue here... Everton are the worst ran football club in the country"

The chaos speaks for itself.

Sometimes you can just point, rather than shout.

Don't let them hide behind "those nasty fans wont let us go to a football match".

It gives them an out. A distraction. We don't want to distract from anything other than the complete an utter failings of this board.

Whilst I agree, that the mainstream media seemed to be switched on now as to where the real culpability loses, BK has been on the board for 33 years, you don’t get that long without 1) being extremely narcissistic, 2) being delusional, 3) being able to weather storms such as this one. If protests stop now I’ll wager he will be here next year. I suspect that there is paranoia within the protest groups that is we stop now all momentum is lost and they won’t be switched on again. That said, I also understand the view about how the protests can potentially gave a negative impact on performances and results. It’s a tricky one - there has to be real thought as to where and when protests take place - soft/virtual protests should still proceed full steam ahead. Physical protest post match peaceful protests in my opinion should still continue. What should be desisted with immediately is post home games defeat intimidations exercise of the players….it plays into the Boards PR narrative

 

[blulouie]

Likewise mate, good post and an excellent analyisis, I agree with all of it.

It’s important to point out, one size doesn’t fit all, there is to much binary thinking to my mind, you can be critical of how the protests, were planned, executed, timing, impact and message and not support the board or the owner. The protests were damaging for those reasons I mention - ultimately they undermined the club this month and made things worse. Not wholly to blame of course, Moshiiri on Talksport was the touch paper and an example of the dysfunction we both mention. But we needed sensible heads, protesting for the right thing at the right time, instead of scaring the bejaysus out of our own players and up the road (literally and figuretively) and scaring the life out of any perspective signings, giving the kopite friendly media a field day - they don’t need an excuse.

The issues need something else, better leadership, better strategy, better alternatives, more coherence, realistic objectives and alternatives then just binary in or out stuff and at the very least not to cut the legs out from under us and be disempowering, this Jan and the impact can’t be allowed to happen again, though its likely to late, an absolute mess.

Sorry mate cannot agree at all.

You mentioned Moshiri on talksport 12th January was 2 days before the Southampton game . ( not to mention his 'open' letter )
Then hours before the game came the disgraceful move by the club to totally discredit the fan base thus alienating even the most mild mannered Blues with what can only be described as wicked lies to deflect blame from themselves.

This was BEFORE the protest even took place.

You intimate protesting is right but the timing is wrong. We'll I beg to differ , this is absolutely on the board & owner.
Ask yourself what did they expect would happen following their actions ?

This is a culmination many years of lies & deceit from the club and yes this was The Straw that broke the camels back.
The people of this city are known for many things like generous , helping each other out & being jovial.
But as this government , police authorities & national media know only too well these same people will fight to the bitter end if you try and tarnish and discredit them.

In the words of Billy Joel

WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE.

Get them out now.

 

[kev101]

Most comments on facebook seem to be totally against protests and even banners. It's all "Just support the team" "They tried their best to get players, not their fault"etc etc. I'm not that keen on identifying with Everton 'supporters' any more, I try not to associate with lame brain, mouth breathing MUGS!
Just a remInder... FOOTY IS JUST A STUPID KIDS GAME, it's genuinely not important, not even a little bit. I'm embarrassed that I follow and cheer for some chavs having a game of footy, whether they be the best or the worst in the world.. it's pathetic and it's a joke! All footy fans should have a look at what's wrong with their lives.

 

[roy vernon]

The board for Moshiri were functionaries not decision makers. He did all that. The officers of the club dealing with the stadium were the only ones he'd listen to beacuse they were specialists, they have knowledge he cant replicate. That's why he has an actor as a chairman and a chugger as a CEO and an ex-player as a director. Their actions didn't come into the equation.

If the board go, Moshiri will shortly follow, he doesn't want too much attention thrown onto himself with regards to Everton F.C. who knows what kind of a can of worms is there, just waiting to be opened?

 

[blulouie]

You’re absolutely missing the point, I’m not arsed about who was right or wrong, or whataboutary. The priority was the well-being of the club. What would have been a Iva ke and productive was to protest about what would improve the well being of the club, signing players, getting results. Tension built based on results was channelled away from that immediate priority. I don’t care who the owner or the board is, or who’s got a twitter following once Everton’s welfare is ok.

The Dynamic between both administration and protest grouo turned the atmosphere in and outside the club toxic - that is evident, we’re in the media as a basket case every two mins, the videos all over social media. That dynamic regardless what you belive undermined the club.

Youd have to be pretty oblivious to think, that players wanting to leave, players picking Southampton over us, bang average players just giving us a fat no wasn't down to the toxicity surrounded by the club created by the cival war dynamic, we had a shot to improve - it was January and your fooling yourself if you think the dynamic didn’t influence the torpedoing of it, of course it did. We got worse because of it, do you think we got better……

The only looser in the im right, you’re wrong, he said, she said, cival war was Everton. The outcome of January is there, what was improved, what was achieved. Nothing we got worse and be a miracle if we’re not relegated.

Eh ?
This is like saying you just caught your missus in bed with the milkman .
Let's not tell the kids though.

Got to think of the well being of the family hey?


BTW
This board could have stopped all of this from ever happening by resigning in stead of hanging on & trying to protect their jobs by viciously & vindictively deflecting blame.

 

[riddick]

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Right idea, wrong time.

I keep seeing this. When IS the "correct" time then? I live in the States, whenever there is a mass shooting (which is like every day) they always come out with "now is not the time". Saying something is the wrong time at a club like ours is like saying it's the wrong time to call the fire department when your house is fully ablaze. It's a move to absolve the wrong doers from any criticism until something blows over.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

The board for Moshiri were functionaries not decision makers. He did all that. The officers of the club dealing with the stadium were the only ones he'd listen to beacuse they were specialists, they have knowledge he cant replicate. That's why he has an actor as a chairman and a chugger as a CEO and an ex-player as a director. Their actions didn't come into the equation.

You don’t know Bill Kenwright very well do you?

 

[davek]

If the board go, Moshiri will shortly follow, he doesn't want too much attention thrown onto himself with regards to Everton F.C. who knows what kind of a can of worms is there, just waiting to be opened?

He'll sell up shortly and the board will be formally dismissed and replaced by the incoming regime would be my guess. And I dont think they'll show their faces at Goodison before that happens.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Most comments on facebook seem to be totally against protests and even banners. It's all "Just support the team" "They tried their best to get players, not their fault"etc etc. I'm not that keen on identifying with Everton 'supporters' any more, I try not to associate with lame brain, mouth breathing MUGS!
Just a remInder... FOOTY IS JUST A STUPID KIDS GAME, it's genuinely not important, not even a little bit. I'm embarrassed that I follow and cheer for some chavs having a game of footy, whether they be the best or the worst in the world.. it's pathetic and it's a joke! All footy fans should have a look at what's wrong with their lives.

Thats just the thing, Everton are the best most organised and satisfactory highlight in my entire life. Even in this here moment right here.

 

[davek]

You don’t know Bill Kenwright very well do you?

I know what he was previously able to do under his own regime.

All the major decisions have been made by Moshiri since 2016.

 

[blulouie]

The truth hurts.

Shurrup Bill.

 

[roy vernon]

He'll sell up shortly and the board will be formally dismissed and replaced by the incoming regime would be my guess. And I dont think they'll show their faces at Goodison before that happens.

Let's hope you're right Dave. Personally I don't believe he'll go untill things get a lot worse with the protests and the board have been forced out. I think he's still deluded enough to think he can finish the stadium and get most of his investment back when he sells. I wish him good luck with that when we are in the championship.

 

[Neiler]

Sorry mate cannot agree at all.

You mentioned Moshiri on talksport 12th January was 2 days before the Southampton game . ( not to mention his 'open' letter )
Then hours before the game came the disgraceful move by the club to totally discredit the fan base thus alienating even the most mild mannered Blues with what can only be described as wicked lies to deflect blame from themselves.

This was BEFORE the protest even took place.

You intimate protesting is right but the timing is wrong. We'll I beg to differ , this is absolutely on the board & owner.
Ask yourself what did they expect would happen following their actions ?

This is a culmination many years of lies & deceit from the club and yes this was The Straw that broke the camels back.
The people of this city are known for many things like generous , helping each other out & being jovial.
But as this government , police authorities & national media know only too well these same people will fight to the bitter end if you try and tarnish and discredit them.

In the words of Billy Joel

WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE.

Get them out now.

That's fine mate and also your second post, im calling it as i see it and id acknowledge others dont, im not trying to canvass anyone - just sharing my analysis.

The who's fault is it, was never my point, nor the fact people are protesting, id support a protest tomorrow - the administration needs root and branch - I've been saying we have been run into ground for a long time. My point was always the timing and focus and toxicity both forces created and impact.

Its like who dropped the nuclear bomb first - it doesn't really matter when you are fighting over a wasteland.