The Everton Board Thread

[blueblueday]

Great post this and so true

Yes, it's true. However, the fans are vulnerable right now and will accept mediocrity not realising the years of Dyche ball we can look forward to as a result of small-time investors. I wouldn't be surprised if they are waiting for us to be relegated in order for them to be able to adjust their offer!

 

[4737carlin]

Better the devil you know.

Moshiri has been writing open cheques for us since he showed up. He hasn't taken a single penny out yet.

Unlike yourself, I believe the issues with how that money is spent are largely down to the people underneath Moshiri.

Once these yanks come in there's nothing stopping them from stripping us for parts to support another one of their teams that they're more interested in than Everton.

Moshiri doesn't have another team dividing his focus and resources like these groups do.

Dont get me wrong it worries me too but I cant see another way out for us, the Moshiri era has run its course, and the Usmanov well is dry, at least a new owner willl give us a chance, even if its just a short term fix

 

[4737carlin]

Moshiri has only ever been interested in the stadium project he will go when that's completed.

Defo, 12 months to go, but if the funding is secure and its on time he could go now, that building really is what you are buying if you buy Everton

 

[Billy Dean]

Do you want Everton to become a feeder club for Seville? That's how I see this going unfortunately if this is the route we go down.

I don't know anything about them, but if one of their clubs is going to be their flagship, would it not make sense that club being in the premier league which is the biggest financial market?

 

[4737carlin]

Do you want Everton to become a feeder club for Seville? That's how I see this going unfortunately if this is the route we go down.

To be a feeder club you at least have to have young players worth buying, at least some talent will be passing through us to our benefit

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I have alluded to what you have expressed by saying it will sound attractive to many, and maybe it's what we need right now. I'm just asking you to take a step back and remember who we are. Do you want Everton to truly fade into one of those forgotten clubs that will be remembered for having a great History, 40-plus years ago, or do we deserve something better than that?

I know what you’re saying but I think we need to take the bigger picture here: if we are going to fade into being a forgotten club, either in the lower divisions or even not existing at all, then we follow the current path. The path back to where we want to be starts with a change in ownership and with a period of stability, a period where we do pay attention to the bottom line. There’s no other way.

Then in the longer term the path back to the top is clear: it’s the stadium. We’ll have one of the best in the country and can use that to drive our revenue, and with the P&S rules the way they are revenue (and sensible player trading) is the key to affording top players again. We CAN get back to competing with the likes of Chelsea but that’ll come from having a better stadium and improved revenue, and from the problems other clubs are storing up with heavy spending, problems we’re tackling now.

There’s light at the end of the tunnel but it’s 5-10 years away probably and today it all starts with a change in ownership & direction and a period of sensible modernisation that someone like 777 would hopefully offer.

 

[DanB90]

Is this supposed to be a full on takeover, or investment/buying a stake?

 

[Neiler]

I think you’re missing the point of the situation we’re in. We’ve had the billionaire in and he’s damn near ruined us. As a result our P&S position means the richest man in the world couldn’t come in and spend what he likes. Everything you are talking about in terms of stabilisation, steady revenue growth etc is exactly what we need. The “they’re only interested in making a profit” line holds no water any more. Of course they are: but if the current owner had paid a bit more attention to profit we wouldn’t be where we are.

We also were in a position were we were self sustainable mate i.e. spending what we earned and supplemented by external debt and that was under Kenwright as majority owner and we really had a glass ceiling also, in terms of having to sell our best players, wage limits and having a limited transfer budget - the model requires skill - or rather a skill set in the environment something Moyes had. In our current guise the model has limits - we simply dont earn enough to be competitive - the way we would want to be.

For my money im not and never have been a fan of the billionaire approach - at this stage in our current circumstances - im sure people can see why, it creates a dependency and acceptance of massive losses - which with the advent of Profit and Sustainability rules isn't really a runner in modern football.

So what should Everton hope for? The buisness is still a few yers off being self sustainable, i had hoped to see green shoots in terms of our losses in the last accounts - but i was hugely dissaapointed with the losses we continue to make organically and only wallpapaerd over by the sale of our best players - with poor replacements, ultimately leading to regression.

The only show in town for us, is to broad base increase our revenue - the stadium has to be a catylet for that and revenue has to be facility led, secondly you are looking at skill, in terms of synergies - multi club model or revenue from commercial deals that the ground may accelerate. You are looking at skill of being able to identify the likes of a young Eze, Mitoma, Caicedo or Mac Allister etc and bring them through - as we used to be able to do under Moyes.

The self sustainable model for us has to be the only show in town, it needs to be skill and facility led and it needs to be done better then it was under Kenwright when he was majority share holder - how can it be done - the model out there is Arsenal and Spurs, evolution as opposed to revolution.

 

[blueblueday]

Great post this and so true

We had a billionaire that spent unwisely. It was nothing to do with him being a billionaire, but more with his actions as a billionaire. Imagine if we'd had a billionaire that did spend wisely. We'd be like Newcastle, wouldn't we? That's the real point here. Desperation for any sub-standard ownership will be detrimental to us. It's a dangerous game for sure.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Better the devil you know.

Moshiri has been writing open cheques for us since he showed up. He hasn't taken a single penny out yet.

Unlike yourself, I believe the issues with how that money is spent are largely down to the people underneath Moshiri.

Once these yanks come in there's nothing stopping them from stripping us for parts to support another one of their teams that they're more interested in than Everton.

Moshiri doesn't have another team dividing his focus and resources like these groups do.

I'm not so sure about that. We play in the biggest league with the most money, the PL is where everyone wants to be. Everything is about the multi club model these days and we would be the biggest club in their Portfolio.

 

[barneygumble]

I agree with what you are saying here but just understand if you are comparing the new generation of owners (Newcastle, City etc) with this 777 lot then get ready for years of nothingness!

I’d genuinely take nothingness over being on a sinking ship.

We had our chance with Mansour. I’ll take nothingness now like it’s a saviour.

 

[4737carlin]

Is this supposed to be a full on takeover, or investment/buying a stake?

I think MSP was %25 but 77 want full, I think

 

[LucBesson]

Better the devil you know.

Moshiri has been writing open cheques for us since he showed up. He hasn't taken a single penny out yet.

Unlike yourself, I believe the issues with how that money is spent are largely down to the people underneath Moshiri.

Once these yanks come in there's nothing stopping them from stripping us for parts to support another one of their teams that they're more interested in than Everton.

Moshiri doesn't have another team dividing his focus and resources like these groups do.

This is all fair but Everton have the potential to be the most interesting, and certainly most profitable, team in their portfolio.

 

[Bob Elstone]

I’d take the muppet show over kenwright and Denise.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Hang on here. 777 partners are a private equity firm that purchases stakes in struggling companies, including sports enterprises. If you're looking for significant player transfer investment in a bid to challenge the top clubs then forget it. They will be looking to stabilise the club, through foreign youth player investment and increased commercial enterprises, while the stadium is built. They will then look to sell the club at a tidy profit when the time is right for them. They will have absolutely no love for our club and will see us as a project to make money from.

The above will sound attractive to many, understandably, right now but just understand in the grand scheme of billionaire football ownership these people are small fry. They certainly won't be looking to take on the big boys and bring back the school of science. Don't get me wrong this may be a good thing for us for the short term right now but be careful what you wish for as what you will really be seeing is years of consolidation and watching your beloved blues challenge to get into the top half, whoopee! Proper small time.

Exactly what is needed

Also, the phrase "careful what you wish for" is the most meaningless phrase in football. All football fans want to win, that's what all fans wish for.