The Fanbase - it's your fault?

[KaiserEFC]

Fans that dare to not clap the team off when we’ve played absolutey crap, have bored them to tears and ruined their weekends are an absolute disgrace.

The same with fans who dare to point out flaws in players games and criticise players despite them being blues and academy graduates.

 

[Slippin Jimmy]

Obvious point: everyone has and can have an opinion.

What I don't like about modern football is the short-sightedness and jealousy of the modern fan, including ours.

Klopp and Pochettino are just two examples of sides built upon an identity and a slower time scale build. An example closer to home? David Moyes.

Already some of you are turning on Silva. 5 games in. New manager, staff, way of playing, players...yet after 4 games an unbeaten start is seen as underwhelming and - as per other threads - 5 / 10 and lower 'scores'.

Most of the time it seems to be built on "well we were ace in the 1980s, why shouldn't we aspire to being better?!". Agreed, but by doing so it's important to avoid stamping your literal / electronic feet of "but i want it NOW".

Not even pasting money at a side guarantees you titles anymore. Look at Utd. Look at what they've spent and they limp along in the shadow of Ferguson's golden era completely based on longevity and long term planning.

No-one was going to walk into our club this summer, not even Pep / Jose / Simeone and turn a team of ours into leathering everyone we've played so far this season. Gomes, Mina, Bernard and Zouma, players we've all said are good buys, have barely even played yet. So some of you are judging Silva on player's we all conceded throughout last season weren't good enough / weren't playing a balanced team.

So yeah, fans are ace and everyone deserves a voice. But contextual debate and perspective is equally important. Something we / all club fans seem to lack at times.

In other words yes it's the fans fault

 

[Connor]

Be’ave, Connor.

If Stones had had his way he would have been long gone before he tried playing Billy Big Balls in his own penalty box late on in a tight game.

He would have “run off” to Chelsea long since

Stones told the Park End to calm down. The Park End, no one else.

 

[blue62]

The original post is an attack on those who want the boo boys to reign it in, disguised as an attempt to encourage 'debate.' As paying and long suffering fans we are all entitled to our opinions, but there's a hard core of people who simply want to knock players at every turn and they seem to get off on it, week in week out, with the sort of vitriol that I witnessed in the 1980's when it was aimed at black players. My half baked theory is that these are the same people (or types), who know they'll be ejected if they shout racist abuse, so they just go at any player who looks like a soft target, it's how they like to spend their weekends.

 

[Seathestars]

Fans who see players giving 100% and possibly being unlucky rarely moan.
Fans who see players hiding or can’t be arsed do moan.

 

[Cameron Manning]

This thread is long overdue, it may be a painfull discussion but we need this a fan base and I feel we could grow from it, I blame the oldies

Blame the oldies for what? Don't say " breathing" or I'll know you are serious.

 

[Cameron Manning]

Probably better to just buy a new fan base really

Do you like Charlie Parker ?

 

[efcjames]

Players need to give 100% regardless of how we act.

 

[chrismpw]

The difference between an average footballer and a good one is confidence. If Seamus had a bad game last week it will have effected his confidence through he match. Passes don't go well, players stop attempting the ambitious stuff that beats the opposition and they go into their shells.

Players are human. Some are more robust than others. Seamus is a rock and will bounce back soon. Others just crumble - look at that kid, Jason Lee? at Forest who had a pineapple on his head (badiel & skinner). Once that song stuck he just crumbled into oblivion.

Players thrive on confidence and confidence arises from encouragement and success.

I wonder how much the club has spent in players that were destroyed by the 'less than encouraging' atmosphere.

 

[mkrudden]

In other words yes it's the fans fault

lol ok mate

 

[chrissyjack]

I boo at my grandson whenever he’s wearing his Everton top . It’s just become an instinct , now

 

[mezzrow]

Obvious point: everyone has and can have an opinion.

What I don't like about modern football is the short-sightedness and jealousy of the modern fan, including ours.

Klopp and Pochettino are just two examples of sides built upon an identity and a slower time scale build. An example closer to home? David Moyes.

Already some of you are turning on Silva. 5 games in. New manager, staff, way of playing, players...yet after 4 games an unbeaten start is seen as underwhelming and - as per other threads - 5 / 10 and lower 'scores'.

Most of the time it seems to be built on "well we were ace in the 1980s, why shouldn't we aspire to being better?!". Agreed, but by doing so it's important to avoid stamping your literal / electronic feet of "but i want it NOW".

Not even pasting money at a side guarantees you titles anymore. Look at Utd. Look at what they've spent and they limp along in the shadow of Ferguson's golden era completely based on longevity and long term planning.

No-one was going to walk into our club this summer, not even Pep / Jose / Simeone and turn a team of ours into leathering everyone we've played so far this season. Gomes, Mina, Bernard and Zouma, players we've all said are good buys, have barely even played yet. So some of you are judging Silva on player's we all conceded throughout last season weren't good enough / weren't playing a balanced team.

So yeah, fans are ace and everyone deserves a voice. But contextual debate and perspective is equally important. Something we / all club fans seem to lack at times.

Mods, way too much sensible talk here in this post. Needs at least month-long timeout to make room for more fume and demands to buy/fire players/managers/front office. I just want my cheese on toast banner, and I'll be good.

 

[Charro]

The same people that seem to be very negative towards the team and certain players are often the same people who completely dismiss that this does happen, and it can have a detrimental impact on the team.

Quite interesting really.

 

[mezzrow]

Do you like Charlie Parker ?

Yes. Bird lives.

 

[nsno-chris]

The original post is an attack on those who want the boo boys to reign it in, disguised as an attempt to encourage 'debate.' As paying and long suffering fans we are all entitled to our opinions, but there's a hard core of people who simply want to knock players at every turn and they seem to get off on it, week in week out, with the sort of vitriol that I witnessed in the 1980's when it was aimed at black players. My half baked theory is that these are the same people (or types), who know they'll be ejected if they shout racist abuse, so they just go at any player who looks like a soft target, it's how they like to spend their weekends.

Oh wow, so you’re calling me and fellow evertonians racist??