Cake
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Mourinho, the Donald Trump of football management. Not welcome, even as an opposing manager.
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The Friedkin Group reaches agreement to buy Everton
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Mourinho, the Donald Trump of football management. Not welcome, even as an opposing manager.
I think everyone understands the reason mate. Its actually an informal rule brought in by competition organisers based on the state of football in the 1960s.
I disagree with you that it would impact on attendances lower league - the Uk is an outlier here - there is no 3:00pm in any of the other major leagues in Europe and it hasn't destroyed the footballing pyramid.
Looking at it from our eyes out - if Everton were in the League one - say like City were - would i not want to go to Everton, in preference of watching Bournemouth Vs Fulham - no chance.
Additionally, why cant lower league clubs also use the meta verse, if i want to watch Bounremouth Vs Fulham but I'm a Carlisle fan - why can i watch both games at home and pay for the privilege - the tech is there. As it is i can go to the Carlisle game and just stream the PL game on my phone and watch it in the stand.
I think its that mindset about attendance - what if there was a live and virtual attendance making up a total attendance.
The horse has bolted - but i presuming most fans would like revenue redirected to the clubs - if that was of if there was an an alternative as @allen conveyed.
Timbucktoo
Player Valuation: £8m
Mourinho was found out years ago that he is all talk. One thing he is good at is landing a big paying deal with clubs, then after a sort spell where he gives the club a lift getting the sack, pockets a big payoff and walks into another big payday and goes through the process again. I would like to think we have seen hiring and firing management teams is not the way to push a club forward and digs a huge financial hole that will eventually have to get filled in.
I have been involved in research around this in an official capacity, i'm not just guessing. That research, and the evidence provided by non league clubs about their attendance figures, strongly suggests that there would be an impact on attendances if games were to be broadcast at 3pm on a Saturday. Many people who post on here could back this up with anecdotal data, they will go and watch a local non league game if Everton are away or just generally if they don't go to Goodison much, but they would almost certainly choose to watch the derby for example if it was available on tv at 3pm. The set up in other countries is totally different, England has more than double the amount of professional clubs that Germany has for example, despite having about 60% of the population, the footballing pyramid here is not comparable.
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Thanks mate!
But if the sample is coming from a key stakeholder who could be potentially materially impacted, the sample could be biased!
Sorry also critique research!
Be curious about the research if it’s been published, I’ve seen European comparisons that have indicated differently. But I’m sure that would have formed part of your literary review!
A curious thing is attendances haven’t dropped of with alleged access to streams through whatever means at 3.00pm on Sat. As I said you can be at a Carlisle game and watch a PL match on your phone tomorrow if you were so inclined.
Rooney_Tunes
Player Valuation: £40m
If you can't say, then why are you saying?
I addressed the European thing in an edit. If they could potentially be materially impacted, that would again suggest that there would be an effect wouldn't it? The material impact would be people not coming, but your whole point is that wouldn't happen, so why would they care? Paying £20 to go to one game but watching another one on your phone with all the coverage issues associated with being in concrete stadiums with thousands of other people in close proximity would be a very strange decision I think. I think there's a tendency to massively overstate the popularity of streaming football illegally. It's an echo chamber situation, if you're the type of person who does it it can seem like everyone does it, but in comparison to people who would watch a heavily advertised game on a normal tv channel the numbers are absolutely tiny.
Victus
Player Valuation: £35m
Well no, i wouldnt agree that the research definitely does suggest there would definitely impact - id suggest from (admittedly limited) part of the research you described that the sample is biased to begin with - your asking people with a secure status quo in terms of a revenue stream what would be like if there were be a change, you know the answer before you ask it. Its not independent, they have a stake in the outcome.
As i say i dont accept people wouldn't go, why is it different to us - would i stay at home and pay to watch City Vs Arsenal in favour of not going to an Everton game, no chance, would a Sunderland or Leeds fan, no, there are waiting lists for season tickets at those clubs. The PL is very far removed from from the culture of a team like Carlisle were in the town, they'd never not go to to the game in my opinion. Look what going on at Wrexham, Salford etc. i think we can be a bit patronising of the lower leagues if I'm honest and the loyalty of their fans. A lot of Pl games are muck.
Going to the ground and watching a game on your phone is absolutely an option - you can do it tomorrow if you like. Someone could be traveling to our game tomorrow and watch a 3:00pm game on their phone if they like and then hit Goodison. Point being its not about creating the breach - its the breach is there and who is benefiting presently allegedly - its not clubs at any level of game.
On your final point - im also not sure i agree, i mean who on here and we have fans from all over the world, doesn't watch us watch us play every week allegedly, who doesn't watch live at away games, allegedly.
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Victus
Player Valuation: £35m
'TFG has decided to walk away' is approaching
HKContractDave
Player Valuation: £6m
Thanks Al (to Paul)
It’s the same as the earlier decision, presume that's the outcome of ACAPs appeal.
All the court is saying is the settlement still falls within the injunction in place in terms of scope, would be my read.
Next step is for the court to judge whether the settlement deal is fair market value given the context.
The other thing is, if it was a proper modern service, you'd be able to come back in after watching your local lower league side and watch one of the big PL games on catch-up.