The UK panic has spread to New York I see
The Heatwave
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dholliday
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We broadly agree on these things. But my analysis is a reaction to the hype, which is doing the conflating to begin with (occasional hot weather = dramatic Climate Crisis).
You recall when it's really cold and folk wonder what happened to Global Warming? This gets answered by the usual suspects with weather is not climate!
The same doesn't seem to apply when it's really hot...but principally it should.
This doesn't really nullify the wider point of media-alarmism via increased use of the emotive colour red. Click on his Tweet, and scroll down to his 7th post. You get his genuine image...how much different is it really? There's the dark-reds/charcoal too:
It pays to be wary of info online, even when the argument is the other side. Here I identified some misinformation (or maybe just plain misunderstanding) doing the rounds about generally what's causing the Earth getting hotter:
After some digging i realised he was referring to the Milankovitch cycles, which are mega-longterm changes to Earth's orbital distance to the sun, causing changes in average Earth temperatures over periods of millions of years. It's not a suitable explanation for the increase we've seen in the last 150 years, as NASA explained here:
Why Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles Can't Explain Earth's Current Warming - NASA Science
In the last few months, a number of questions have come in asking if NASA has attributed Earth’s recent warming to changes in how Earth moves through space around the Sun: a series of orbital motions known as Milankovitch cycles. What cycles, you ask? Milankovitch cycles include the shape of...
climate.nasa.gov
Also this claim here that the UK 2010's were on average cooler than the decade previous: i haven't been able to verify it:
Agendas & narratives are everywhere, it's a challenge to filter them out. Even debunks (aka fact-checks) often have their own narrative at play. It's a minefield out there.
Either way, tomorrow is gonna be hot...maybe even dangerously so. Personally we'll be staying in with curtains drawn.
Long-term: it does look like average-temps are increasing, and fossil-fuels contribute. But how on Earth do we get the whole world agreeing on what to do when even a GOT-discussion rarely ends in a compromise?
Human nature is what it is...and it will adapt to what's coming, we just can't foresee how yet.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
It's currently 24° ffs.
We broadly agree on these things. But my analysis is a reaction to the hype, which is doing the conflating to begin with (occasional hot weather = dramatic Climate Crisis).
You recall when it's really cold and folk wonder what happened to Global Warming? This gets answered by the usual suspects with weather is not climate!
The same doesn't seem to apply when it's really hot...but principally it should.
This doesn't really nullify the wider point of media-alarmism via increased use of the emotive colour red. Click on his Tweet, and scroll down to his 7th post. You get his genuine image...how much different is it really? There's the dark-reds/charcoal too:
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It pays to be wary of info online, even when the argument is the other side. Here I identified some misinformation (or maybe just plain misunderstanding) doing the rounds about generally what's causing the Earth getting hotter:
After some digging i realised he was referring to the Milankovitch cycles, which are mega-longterm changes to Earth's orbital distance to the sun, causing changes in average Earth temperatures over periods of millions of years. It's not a suitable explanation for the increase we've seen in the last 150 years, as NASA explained here:
Why Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles Can't Explain Earth's Current Warming - NASA Science
In the last few months, a number of questions have come in asking if NASA has attributed Earth’s recent warming to changes in how Earth moves through space around the Sun: a series of orbital motions known as Milankovitch cycles. What cycles, you ask? Milankovitch cycles include the shape of...
Also this claim here that the UK 2010's were on average cooler than the decade previous: i haven't been able to verify it:
Agendas & narratives are everywhere, it's a challenge to filter them out. Even debunks (aka fact-checks) often have their own narrative at play. It's a minefield out there.
Either way, tomorrow is gonna be hot...maybe even dangerously so. Personally we'll be staying in with curtains drawn.
Long-term: it does look like average-temps are increasing, and fossil-fuels contribute. But how on Earth do we get the whole world agreeing on what to do when even a GOT-discussion rarely ends in a compromise?
Human nature is what it is...and it will adapt to what's coming, we just can't foresee how yet.
That was a very long way of saying "I've absolutely no idea"
Nb: I'd just assume Toby Young is wrong, because he often is and just presents contrarian Ill informed opinion as fact ignoring context and nuance.
dholliday
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not very sporting seen as you came back here to remind me i missed your post.
i then took the time to reply thoughtfully, as i thought you was interested.
silly me.
Good god man, are you still trying to claim that a 2% increase is actually a decrease? I think the heat is getting to you.
Stay indoors and drink lots of water.
I managed about 7 hours sleep which about 2 more than I usually have, putting these frozen water bottles in my bed doing the trick although when I wake up they are like hot water bottles ?
That sounds like one of those " if it takes 3 days for 2 men to dig 4 holes how many men does it take to dig 6 holes in 2 days" problems ?
dholliday
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you don't understand the text.
it's not a 2% increase over the previous period, it's a 2% mortality-rise over the benchmark-temperature, which is less than the 14% rise from the previous years.
The article further backed this up by quoting 6,600 deaths for the 2003 summer, whereas you quoted 600 deaths for this summer period.
The headline has "related deaths drop" in it, so of course it's about a decrease.
There's no further way to simplify it. Either you're interested in understanding, or you prefer to live in your own headcanon.
Not arsed either way at this point.
Put a small wet hand towel underneath your head when you go to bed. Cool pillow all night.
I started to feel a bit uncomfortable about 5pm yesterday. Hadn't been out, just sat in the home office all day, which hit 32c according to the boilers thermostat. Got in the shower, turned the temp right down... bliss.
Which lasted about 10 mins. Ended up in the garden firing the hospipe into the air in bursts to simulate rain. Cooled us (me, the dog, the missus) right down. That was at 8pm.
I am not looking forward to today. Colour me snowflake.
Which lasted about 10 mins. Ended up in the garden firing the hospipe into the air in bursts to simulate rain. Cooled us (me, the dog, the missus) right down. That was at 8pm.
I am not looking forward to today. Colour me snowflake.
YoboCopter
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Not hard to find snowfalkes these days
Its abit of sun not a tornado causing havoc
Its abit of sun not a tornado causing havoc
BlueStevie35
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Already 25c right now, expected to hit 35 by 2pm but plummet to around 18 by midnight
Shevin Keedy
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You sure?
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