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The Moment You Knew He Had Failed...

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Despite his awful tenure, I don't think it was until that infamous 0-2 home defeat to Coventry in October '94 (Duncs home debut for us) that it was clear Mike Walker's days were numbered. I recall him coming on the pitch at full-time applauding the fans in the Gwladys Street, some had bizarrely been chanting 'one Mike Walker' as that god awful game drew to a close.

Against the mighty Coventry, he played 5-3-2 that day, with Barry Horne as a wing back. No one had a clue what they were doing, both players and fans, and we had the ignominy of their fans taking the piss with 'you're going down with the Ipswich Town'.
 

For Marco Silva

When we had the opportunity to go top of league vs Villa

We lost badly and he went into a death spiral

Think game for Silva was being 2-1 up at Brighton with about 10 minutes left, imploding and losing 3-2 in the end. Disaster of November period followed especially at home (can remember the whole ground singing "sacked in the morning" when 2-0 down at home to Norwich) and he was gone after the latest Anfield capitulation.

Ancelotti one was harder due to being locked out of the ground so can't recall matches as readily. Losing to likes of Newcastle and Fulham 2-0 early in 2022 wasn't great and gave the feeling season would just peter out which it did. Still didn't get close to any sackable game though and just circumstances which has caused carnage of last 18 months.
 
For Marco Silva

When we had the opportunity to go top of league vs Villa

We lost badly and he went into a death spiral
Can be said to be the same for most managers. It’s always when we have the opportunity to actually do something and the team decides that would be too hard that you know a manager will fail. Koeman is probably the only manager who hasn’t reached a high like that with us.

Roberto just needed to beat Palace at home.
Silva needed to beat Villa.
For Carlo I think it was Southampton.

A horrible team that just says away from achieving anything any time they get even reflect close.
 
Losing heavily twice in the space of a week to Bournemouth is proper relegation behavior and for that I think Lampard is done. The fact that for me there has always been doubts about his managerial ability seals it. Of course, happy for him to turn it around and prove me wrong.
 
Managers tended to get more time, then. There was less money in the game. More innocent - if far from perfect - times. My recollection was Howard was a goner if he couldn't get past Oxford. But, when push came to shove, he did. And the rest was history.
Did they? I'm not gonna dig through the statistics but there are plenty of stories from back in the day of axe happy chairmen going through loads of managers and fans demanding a manager out. Even going back to the 70s the likes of Brian Clough was Forests 3rd manager in 2 and a half years. And that was after his 7 months at Brighton and 44 days at Leeds.

Managers may have got a *little* more time but I think it's an utter myth that there was some halycon era full of patience and good intentions.
 

Nobody survives getting thumped twice in twice in 4 days with an aggregate of 1 - 7 by a newly promoted team who had just lost 4 on the bounce and were one of the favourites to be relegated. It was the beginning of the end when you add to it just how poor this season has been overall. Might not happen right now but it is inevitable in my humble opinion.
 
Never claimed he was - but he's clearly intelligent and intelligent people learn to do better.

Alec Ferguson was another manager fans wanted out before he came good ... granted these were back in the days before fans had about 1 month of patience before their social media echo chambers whip them into a hysteria.
Ferguson had pedigree though, he won the Cup winners cup with Aberdeen, was a top top manager before even joining Utd. No comparison with Frank who's on 5 million a year and fans are happy to let him learn on the job.
 

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