The New Arena

[TrailerTrash]

Ronnie who?

RONNIE PICKERING!!

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Courtesy of @Tree13 the main thing I learnt this evening is that @JimmyJeffers virtually stands in the channel physically drowning folk he finds in dinghies. The bad woke tit.

Fight it out gents, Morrisons of your choice.

 

[carlos21]

Courtesy of @Tree13 the main thing I learnt this evening is that @JimmyJeffers virtually stands in the channel physically drowning folk he finds in dinghies. The bad woke tit.

Fight it out gents, Morrisons of your choice.

Yo.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Yo.

Hey C

 

[Tree13]

Courtesy of @Tree13 the main thing I learnt this evening is that @JimmyJeffers virtually stands in the channel physically drowning folk he finds in dinghies. The bad woke tit.

Fight it out gents, Morrisons of your choice.

To be fair to @JimmyJeffers , I don't suspect he's supportive of that view. I do think there's a question to be asked about why people have become so entrenched in the Labour v Tory thing that objecting to anything announced by the other party is more important than possibly saving lives.

And you're not catching me in a Morrisons.

 

[Rita_Poon]

To be fair to @JimmyJeffers , I don't suspect he's supportive of that view. I do think there's a question to be asked about why people have become so entrenched in the Labour v Tory thing that objecting to anything announced by the other party is more important than possibly saving lives.

And you're not catching me in a Morrisons.

So disingenuous!

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

To be fair to @JimmyJeffers , I don't suspect he's supportive of that view. I do think there's a question to be asked about why people have become so entrenched in the Labour v Tory thing that objecting to anything announced by the other party is more important than possibly saving lives.

And you're not catching me in a Morrisons.

Lidl?

 

[Tree13]

So disingenuous!

Mate, seriously. Let's start at the start.

Can people drown during attempts to cross the channel in small boats if there are no small boats crossing the channel?

As a gesture of good faith, I will agree that there is obviously an element of posturing involved in this policy too. There is a portion of the electorate that are fiercely anti-immigration in all forms, and this policy won't upset them at all.

However if this policy DOES reduce the number of deaths, does it matter that it ALSO serves other purposes? (Such as appealing to a portion of the electorate, as you suggested?)

 

[Tree13]

Lidl?

That's more like it.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Mate, seriously. Let's start at the start.

Can people drown during attempts to cross the channel in small boats if there are no small boats crossing the channel?

As a gesture of good faith, I will agree that there is obviously an element of posturing involved in this policy too. There is a portion of the electorate that are fiercely anti-immigration in all forms, and this policy won't upset them at all.

However if this policy DOES reduce the number of deaths, does it matter that it ALSO serves other purposes?

Fine, I do not contest with you that you avoid answering (it's why you've avoided the 'alright jack' slur), so I accept in good faith your making the effort.

Fair due!

Please pick a priority, I believe you know exactly the answer I desire, the danger of small boats or the elephant in the room. Please be specific.

 

[Tree13]

Fine, I do not contest with you that you avoid answering (it's why you've avoided the 'alright jack' slur), so I accept in good faith your making the effort.

Fair due!

Please pick a priority, I believe you know exactly the answer I desire, the danger of small boats or the elephant in the room. Please be specific.

Genuinely happy to have a sensible discussion with you. I never made any 'alright Jack' slur, so let's leave that shall we?

The danger to life posed by continuation of the small boat crossings is the priority.

Please in return explain why people drowning in the channel is more acceptable to SOME Labour supporters than taking any steps to prevent it?

 

[Nymzee]

Stop ruining a good thread and chin each other you fannies

 

[Charro]

Genuinely happy to have a sensible discussion with you. I never made any 'alright Jack' slur, so let's leave that shall we?

The danger to life posed by continuation of the small boat crossings is the priority.

Please in return explain why people drowning in the channel is more acceptable to SOME Labour supporters than taking any steps to prevent it?

Is anybody saying that?

How do you know the people you disagree with are Labour supporters?

 

[Rita_Poon]

Genuinely happy to have a sensible discussion with you. I never made any 'alright Jack' slur, so let's leave that shall we?

The danger to life posed by continuation of the small boat crossings is the priority.

Please in return explain why people drowning in the channel is more acceptable to SOME Labour supporters than taking any steps to prevent it?

Firstly, I am guilty of the slur, not you, I have taken great satisfaction in pointing out to two active accounts on here their nefarious tory bigoted ways.

As you have played nice, I have been nice (or as nice as I can muster)

If danger to life is the priority, open the "flood gates" and let in who fancies it. That is a surefire way of undercutting the trafficking gangs and ending the risk.

I have never said people drowning is more acceptable to anyone, what I have suggested is that to a certain few - the drownings and danger is an acceptable deterrent because they are infatuated with their beliefs*

*not nice ones.

I accept labour (little L) have sat back on this issue and could have taken a much stronger stance, but, the tories are chopping one another up over it, leave them the hack at one another, the win on the end of the rainbow is the reintroduction of the semi skilled labour to help agriculture and care homes etc. "We couldn't afford to lose so many working age tax payers filling the roles we so desperately are short for, this has been a factor in inflation, the living crisis, the self inflicted agony of their 'oven ready' brexit".

Until the middle ground of the post brexit and pandemic workplace can be agreed upon, and then the means to fulfill said positions, the rockets and missiles over the machinery of getting out of this mess will be neglected.
As the governing party, I say it is on them to agree to the means for positive advancement.

What I see and hear is incredibly far from anything positive.

 

[Tree13]

Is anybody saying that?

How do you know the people you disagree with are Labour supporters?

I'm happy with my deduction that the people who tend to object most vociferously to Tory policies tend to be Labour supporters. Equally happy to be proved wrong, if anyone on here who objects to this policy (the small boats issue) wishes to identify as a Green Party / Lib Dem / Plaid / SNP / whatever.

A policy that might prevent small boat crossings would, if successful, save lives. Objecting to it and not proposing any alternative is simply demanding for the status quo. And the status quo is people dying in the channel.

So yes. People arguing against this policy and not offering any alternative plan to reduce small boat crossings are placing objection to policy over saving lives.